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the oldest

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and strongest human emotion is fear

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and the oldest and strongest type of

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when we were children our parents told

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us that monsters didn't exist

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but we were sure that something was

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lurking under the bed or in the closet

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fear sees even if our eyes are closed

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welcome to the realm of the arcane my

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name is lon strickler

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join me as i examine unexplained

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creatures

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strange manifestations and remarkable

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imagine this next hour as a voyage of

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discovery to strange lands

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seeking not for new territory but for

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new knowledge of the supernatural come

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on board

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as we begin this adventure together

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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another episode of arcane radio

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where we explore the unexplained live on

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beyond explanation i'm your host lon

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strickler

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and i'm coming to you from the spectral

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shadows of gettysburg pennsylvania

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now tonight we are going to be talking

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chicago lake michigan mothman chicago

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winged humanoids you know what we have

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been looking into

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for the past oh my god has it been over

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four years almost five years

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anyway um i have tobias whalen and

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manuel navarette with me who uh

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earl we've been investigating all this

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together tobias is a

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passion of fortune who has been actively

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investigating the unusual for over a

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decade

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the first several years of his

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investigative career was spent as a blue

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field investigator and the head writer

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and editor of the single

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singular 14 society tobias is a frequent

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guest on various

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podcasts and radio shows and has

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contributed

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to several books of the paranormal and

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is all often invited to speak at

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paranormal conferences

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events he was also featured on the small

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in the small town monsters documentary

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tell him tearing the skies in the series

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premiere of expedition x

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for his work investigating mothman

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sightings around lake michigan

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he and his wife emily have recently

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published a book chronicling this

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experience the late michigan mothman

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high strangers in the midwest

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the singular 14 society website can be

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now emmanuel navarette is the founder

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and curator of the

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ufo clearinghouse and an active

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paranormal investigator

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manuela has been interested in the

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paranormal since the age of 17

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and has had multiple signs of ufos and

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recently a winged humanoid at

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chicago air airport the website he found

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a ufo clearing house is dedicated and

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committed to providing the most

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up-to-date information

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on recent ufo settings reported alien

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it is designed as a place where

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information can be freely exchanged and

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accessed by paranormal researchers

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and investigators for the reason of

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furthering the search for the truth his

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website ufo clearinghouse can be found

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at ufo clearinghouse.wordpress.com

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and of course both uh tobias and whalen

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are members

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of phantoms and monsters 14 research and

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have investigated the chicago lake

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michigan

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wing humanoid phenomenon when i formed

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task force back in the spring of 2017

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god that was a long time ago guys

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versus where we are now um it's it's

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where it did either you know um boy

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it's grown and grown it's just like and

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um you know it's i remember the first

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sightings coming in and just

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thinking oh you know one off it'll never

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happen again and i could never have

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imagined how

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it would be now yeah and especially

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majority of the sightings have been

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concentrated around o'hare

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out what the deal is there why that's

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few some other phenomena associated with

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sighting of an unknown humanoid possible

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so uh man well why don't you talk about

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it was about the truck driver and the

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flights international flights but they

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handle a very large amount of cargo

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cargo facilities are located on and

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at the united facility which is

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the original ufo sighting that came

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through um he said he was sitting there

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waiting for a load um and he thought he

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saw a small child

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wandering and that facility

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and out of that facility

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at all times and he thought it was a

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small child that had might

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be gotten separated got lost or

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so he watched it and he said it kind of

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had like a little gate

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got out of his truck and tried to

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approach it and he says about this time

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this thing went underneath the uh

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street lamp and if i remember right he

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in he whatever it was was very very

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interested in what was going on across

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the street because they were bringing a

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to one of the cargo facilities to be

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a really thin humanoid creature with

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you know gray skin and he says it turned

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around and looked at him as

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he was you know approaching because he

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and that's when he saw the you know the

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large eyes and the really

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you know overly sized head but he also

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really thin and long like down to his

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faster than he's ever seen any

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no human could really run that fast he

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says easily could have about ran

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usain bolt in his report so

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it was just really you know just sounds

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like a complete

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typical encounter with a gray i mean it

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the description of what you would

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consider with the short-nosed gray alien

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assuming now i mean i don't know how you

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think about this tobias but

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somehow been associated of course we had

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and of course you know this unknown

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humanoid that ascended into the ufo

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cemetery is located right in

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the um o'hara and it's right there by

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some of the uh the uh cargo areas

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that manuel just described what are your

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what uh what to make of that um

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the the witness thought that he may have

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uh it he had sort of allowed for the

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possibility that that maybe he had dozed

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given exactly what what he described

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what was interesting about that to me

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was i had actually encountered uh

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another witness in uh janesville

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wisconsin who had had

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a sort of uh foiled abduction

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attempt and she described something

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where at the end uh you know she really

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fallen asleep but she said that she felt

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like uh when she could move again like

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she had to wonder like if she was

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suddenly coming too and you know i

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started thinking about it and just sort

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of wondering

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um if that isn't some sort of of

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you know defense mechanism or something

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that that sort of takes place in

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in these people's minds where um you

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know they're trying to rationalize their

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experience as far as the overall like

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humanoid sightings at o'hare um

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are very sort of dubious of of those

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they've never been there

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they're picturing you know this this

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huge metropolitan area

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um you know like it's right in the

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middle of chicago or something but

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isolated in a lot of ways i mean if if

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reports they're coming from the

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the cargo area you know um of

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of o'hare and having been out there um

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you know it's uh it's a relatively

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remote location

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you know sort of surrounded by these

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huge fields and

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in open areas there's not going to be a

293
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lot of like like foot traffic or

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anything in

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in those areas there was one area in

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particular

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that i i went down to investigate i had

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spoken to a gentleman

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who worked for one of the o'hare cargo

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companies and

301
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um and you know he had said that he had

302
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seen this red-eyed black

303
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flying humanoid thing after work one

304
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evening

305
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and um you know i wanted to to look at

306
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the the siding area and sort of get the

307
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the lay of the

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land and everything and you know i i

309
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went down there and he said that he had

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been driving

311
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you know along this road just next to

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o'hare when he saw it and i

313
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went and the only things over there were

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uh like in an office building which

315
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definitely wouldn't have been open

316
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during his sighting and then

317
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you know it was like a fedex store or

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something and um

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and so the idea that there would just

320
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always be a ton of people around

321
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who would all you know always be seeing

322
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these things in the areas that people

323
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are reporting them

324
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um isn't necessarily true so i i look at

325
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that particular trucker's

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account and um you know

327
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uh he he seems forthright he seems

328
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honest and

329
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um you know i i think that given

330
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where it took place it's it's an

331
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interesting

332
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yeah you know of course

333
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you know before all this has been going

334
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on around o'hara

335
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we have had reports of humanoid like

336
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sightings

337
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in these uh preserve areas uh there's a

338
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large preserve area here just east of

339
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rosemont east of o'hara where we've also

340
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received these

341
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um humanoid sightings possible humanoid

342
00:13:33,110 --> 00:13:30,800
settings

343
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so uh you know i don't know what is

344
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exactly

345
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in in that preserve maybe

346
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there's there's some way they're getting

347
00:13:42,629 --> 00:13:40,959
in there i don't know but it just seems

348
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unusual to me

349
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now of course i i've talked to people

350
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who have told me

351
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and i think manuel might have mentioned

352
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this at some point that

353
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there seemed to be a lot of occult

354
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activity in these

355
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these preserve areas and i i know

356
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chicago's got a ton of i mean in or

357
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around chicago

358
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so uh you know i don't know you know you

359
00:14:05,750 --> 00:14:04,320
know i'm just trying to grow i'm

360
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grasping straws

361
00:14:09,829 --> 00:14:07,360
trying to figure out of course we all

362
00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:09,839
are what's been going on

363
00:14:12,870 --> 00:14:11,519
but you know over the years we've heard

364
00:14:15,829 --> 00:14:12,880
a lot of strange stuff

365
00:14:18,389 --> 00:14:15,839
you know a paranormal as well as ufos

366
00:14:20,550 --> 00:14:18,399
coming out of o'hara

367
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you know i've talked to witness you told

368
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me that you know there's

369
00:14:25,750 --> 00:14:24,240
there's actually a lot of ghost settings

370
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at o'hare

371
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uh a lot of strange activity and in fact

372
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i

373
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planes of runway

374
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uh cargo areas you know for

375
00:15:05,750 --> 00:15:03,760
luggage and stuff and uh

376
00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:05,760
she's telling me that she's hearing all

377
00:15:09,430 --> 00:15:07,120
kinds of stuff

378
00:15:11,110 --> 00:15:09,440
from people i mean from you know pilots

379
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and

380
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baggage people you know

381
00:15:18,470 --> 00:15:17,040
all kinds of different sightings and you

382
00:15:19,030 --> 00:15:18,480
know i'm trying to get her to come

383
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:19,040
forward

384
00:15:26,870 --> 00:15:23,680
into before with pilots

385
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and other people um

386
00:15:31,590 --> 00:15:29,040
you know even the guy in the tower you

387
00:15:34,389 --> 00:15:31,600
know they all have security clearances

388
00:15:35,189 --> 00:15:34,399
and uh they're really hesitant to really

389
00:15:38,310 --> 00:15:35,199
come out and

390
00:15:39,350 --> 00:15:38,320
mention their engineering on the record

391
00:15:42,790 --> 00:15:39,360
so it's all got gonna be

392
00:15:44,069 --> 00:15:42,800
done anonymously but uh i i think she's

393
00:15:45,590 --> 00:15:44,079
got something to help us with

394
00:15:50,069 --> 00:15:45,600
of course i hope some of these other

395
00:15:52,550 --> 00:15:50,079
witnesses can help us out eventually

396
00:15:54,310 --> 00:15:52,560
oh yeah and as going back to what you're

397
00:15:55,509 --> 00:15:54,320
talking about with the porsche preserves

398
00:15:58,790 --> 00:15:55,519
um

399
00:16:01,590 --> 00:15:58,800
live

400
00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:01,600
maybe a couple blocks from one and

401
00:16:06,710 --> 00:16:03,279
that's gotta encompass at least

402
00:16:07,350 --> 00:16:06,720
a couple of hundred acres um rosemont

403
00:16:10,470 --> 00:16:07,360
has

404
00:16:11,829 --> 00:16:10,480
quite a lot of very extensive forest

405
00:16:14,069 --> 00:16:11,839
preserve area

406
00:16:14,870 --> 00:16:14,079
um and some of it can get pretty

407
00:16:18,710 --> 00:16:14,880
isolated

408
00:16:20,470 --> 00:16:18,720
um there's uh just to tell you how big

409
00:16:22,310 --> 00:16:20,480
some of them are my wife and my son

410
00:16:24,230 --> 00:16:22,320
recently we went to a place called bussy

411
00:16:28,310 --> 00:16:24,240
woods that's near schaumburg

412
00:16:31,509 --> 00:16:28,320
and this place is literally a couple of

413
00:16:34,470 --> 00:16:31,519
maybe three four thousand acres

414
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,480
of forest preserve and they have bike

415
00:16:38,470 --> 00:16:36,480
trails and walking trails

416
00:16:40,629 --> 00:16:38,480
and some of these biking and walking

417
00:16:44,069 --> 00:16:40,639
trails can get really remote

418
00:16:47,670 --> 00:16:44,079
like where way deep inside the woods

419
00:16:49,030 --> 00:16:47,680
um and yeah there are a lot of

420
00:16:50,389 --> 00:16:49,040
you know reports you always hear you

421
00:16:51,590 --> 00:16:50,399
always find things if you know what

422
00:16:54,230 --> 00:16:51,600
you're looking for

423
00:16:57,030 --> 00:16:54,240
you know where people have done ritual

424
00:17:00,389 --> 00:16:57,040
or they left offerings out

425
00:17:01,030 --> 00:17:00,399
you know there is a chicago has a very

426
00:17:03,670 --> 00:17:01,040
very

427
00:17:04,870 --> 00:17:03,680
healthy and vibrant you know pagan

428
00:17:07,829 --> 00:17:04,880
population

429
00:17:09,270 --> 00:17:07,839
um and we're talking everything from

430
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:09,280
voodoo to

431
00:17:16,230 --> 00:17:12,799
you know santeria to bruhidia um to

432
00:17:19,990 --> 00:17:16,240
many many many other eclectic forms of

433
00:17:22,470 --> 00:17:20,000
of paganism and a lot of people do use

434
00:17:24,789 --> 00:17:22,480
and you know make use of these woods to

435
00:17:27,429 --> 00:17:24,799
go out there and do their rituals and

436
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:27,439
you know that's and we actually had a

437
00:17:30,230 --> 00:17:28,319
report i

438
00:17:32,230 --> 00:17:30,240
i know from one of the horse preserves

439
00:17:34,950 --> 00:17:32,240
that's what they were doing they were

440
00:17:35,430 --> 00:17:34,960
doing a wicked ritual and they saw this

441
00:17:39,590 --> 00:17:35,440
large

442
00:17:42,070 --> 00:17:39,600
mantis like uh entity um

443
00:17:43,990 --> 00:17:42,080
and the thing about it is my wife and my

444
00:17:44,870 --> 00:17:44,000
son and may have gone deer spot in that

445
00:17:47,350 --> 00:17:44,880
area

446
00:17:48,870 --> 00:17:47,360
quite often and you can get out there

447
00:17:51,750 --> 00:17:48,880
especially if the sun goes down

448
00:17:53,750 --> 00:17:51,760
you can get jet black dark you walk away

449
00:17:55,190 --> 00:17:53,760
from the path and you are

450
00:17:56,870 --> 00:17:55,200
you are not going to see anything in

451
00:17:58,710 --> 00:17:56,880
front of you so

452
00:18:01,190 --> 00:17:58,720
if anything really wanted to hide it

453
00:18:03,430 --> 00:18:01,200
could really easily do it without and

454
00:18:06,630 --> 00:18:03,440
just be within a stone's throw of people

455
00:18:12,630 --> 00:18:10,150
you know besides the o'hara area

456
00:18:13,750 --> 00:18:12,640
we've had um we've had some settings

457
00:18:17,029 --> 00:18:13,760
from other areas

458
00:18:18,630 --> 00:18:17,039
carroll stream illinois we had one down

459
00:18:20,470 --> 00:18:18,640
in schaumburg you just mentioned

460
00:18:25,029 --> 00:18:20,480
schaumburg

461
00:18:28,230 --> 00:18:25,039
uh schiller park which is in chicago

462
00:18:29,830 --> 00:18:28,240
we had one in waukegan which was

463
00:18:33,190 --> 00:18:29,840
described as a lacusa

464
00:18:34,470 --> 00:18:33,200
al man type thing so it's just not

465
00:18:37,430 --> 00:18:34,480
around the airport

466
00:18:38,470 --> 00:18:37,440
and i of course i think whalen uh tobias

467
00:18:41,669 --> 00:18:38,480
you had one

468
00:18:44,870 --> 00:18:41,679
recently as well you're working on

469
00:18:48,230 --> 00:18:44,880
um yeah you know i've had several that

470
00:18:49,430 --> 00:18:48,240
uh that i have come across recently i

471
00:18:52,710 --> 00:18:49,440
actually

472
00:18:53,590 --> 00:18:52,720
um had a couple well let's see one very

473
00:18:56,310 --> 00:18:53,600
recently

474
00:18:59,190 --> 00:18:56,320
in rockford but that actually took place

475
00:19:02,390 --> 00:18:59,200
i want to say back in 2016.

476
00:19:06,070 --> 00:19:02,400
um but also uh there have been

477
00:19:09,110 --> 00:19:06,080
two uh strange winged creature reports

478
00:19:11,510 --> 00:19:09,120
uh just very very recently uh in in

479
00:19:13,270 --> 00:19:11,520
august and october of this year in cape

480
00:19:16,310 --> 00:19:13,280
girardeau missouri

481
00:19:18,710 --> 00:19:16,320
and i haven't even had time to to

482
00:19:20,070 --> 00:19:18,720
get this latest one typed up emily and i

483
00:19:20,870 --> 00:19:20,080
are actually going out to the siding

484
00:19:23,830 --> 00:19:20,880
area

485
00:19:25,830 --> 00:19:23,840
right after this show but in oregon

486
00:19:27,190 --> 00:19:25,840
wisconsin which is only about 20 minutes

487
00:19:29,270 --> 00:19:27,200
away from us

488
00:19:30,950 --> 00:19:29,280
we we of course live in madison

489
00:19:32,870 --> 00:19:30,960
wisconsin uh

490
00:19:34,230 --> 00:19:32,880
i talked to these uh these two young

491
00:19:38,070 --> 00:19:34,240
women recently

492
00:19:41,830 --> 00:19:38,080
and they said that on the night

493
00:19:42,789 --> 00:19:41,840
of uh thanksgiving they were out driving

494
00:19:44,549 --> 00:19:42,799
around uh

495
00:19:46,470 --> 00:19:44,559
now for anybody not familiar with with

496
00:19:50,150 --> 00:19:46,480
the area uh oregon's it's

497
00:19:51,909 --> 00:19:50,160
it's a fairly small community uh and so

498
00:19:53,350 --> 00:19:51,919
you know for anybody who didn't grow up

499
00:19:55,909 --> 00:19:53,360
in a a small town

500
00:19:57,190 --> 00:19:55,919
in in wisconsin like like i did uh one

501
00:19:58,870 --> 00:19:57,200
of the few things that there are for

502
00:20:01,110 --> 00:19:58,880
teenagers to do and this is probably

503
00:20:04,230 --> 00:20:01,120
true in most small towns in the midwest

504
00:20:04,870 --> 00:20:04,240
um is you know you just you you go drive

505
00:20:06,390 --> 00:20:04,880
around

506
00:20:07,990 --> 00:20:06,400
you know frankly like you'll just drive

507
00:20:08,870 --> 00:20:08,000
around on country roads because there

508
00:20:11,590 --> 00:20:08,880
isn't a whole

509
00:20:13,190 --> 00:20:11,600
heck of a lot else else to to do and so

510
00:20:14,310 --> 00:20:13,200
these two young women were out driving

511
00:20:17,830 --> 00:20:14,320
around

512
00:20:20,950 --> 00:20:17,840
uh last week before last thursday

513
00:20:23,350 --> 00:20:20,960
and uh they saw at first

514
00:20:26,149 --> 00:20:23,360
um as they were approaching this this

515
00:20:27,270 --> 00:20:26,159
intersection about 250 yards away they

516
00:20:30,870 --> 00:20:27,280
estimated

517
00:20:31,669 --> 00:20:30,880
they saw this huge uh eight to nine foot

518
00:20:35,590 --> 00:20:31,679
tall

519
00:20:36,390 --> 00:20:35,600
uh uh winged humanoid beings swoop

520
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:36,400
across the

521
00:20:40,630 --> 00:20:37,919
the road in front of them they said it

522
00:20:42,470 --> 00:20:40,640
was partially illuminated by this lamp

523
00:20:43,830 --> 00:20:42,480
post that was nearby and they described

524
00:20:46,870 --> 00:20:43,840
it as

525
00:20:49,029 --> 00:20:46,880
as being rather bulky actually like

526
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,039
uh they they described it specifically

527
00:20:53,110 --> 00:20:50,880
as as having the sort of

528
00:20:55,190 --> 00:20:53,120
physique you would expect out of uh out

529
00:20:58,310 --> 00:20:55,200
of a bigfoot actually

530
00:21:02,149 --> 00:20:58,320
so um that of course is reminiscent

531
00:21:05,190 --> 00:21:02,159
of the uh woodstock sightings um

532
00:21:08,390 --> 00:21:05,200
that were honestly some of the the best

533
00:21:09,190 --> 00:21:08,400
uh uh most uh credible sightings that

534
00:21:12,470 --> 00:21:09,200
that that we've

535
00:21:14,390 --> 00:21:12,480
received so far um and so they they

536
00:21:14,789 --> 00:21:14,400
describe the the wingspan as saying is

537
00:21:17,350 --> 00:21:14,799
you know

538
00:21:19,190 --> 00:21:17,360
in the the relatively normal range for

539
00:21:22,549 --> 00:21:19,200
what we normally get so between

540
00:21:24,390 --> 00:21:22,559
10 and 15 feet or so and uh the the

541
00:21:26,230 --> 00:21:24,400
the first sighting of it for them was

542
00:21:27,990 --> 00:21:26,240
relatively quick like i said they they

543
00:21:31,669 --> 00:21:28,000
saw it you know swoop

544
00:21:33,590 --> 00:21:31,679
across the road and then you know they

545
00:21:34,870 --> 00:21:33,600
kind of sped out of there and decided

546
00:21:36,310 --> 00:21:34,880
you know they were still going to go out

547
00:21:38,149 --> 00:21:36,320
driving around they were

548
00:21:41,350 --> 00:21:38,159
frightened at first but i think that

549
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:41,360
fear uh eventually sort of turned into

550
00:21:46,470 --> 00:21:44,640
uh sort of excitement you know uh

551
00:21:48,149 --> 00:21:46,480
they're they're they're 18 years old and

552
00:21:49,110 --> 00:21:48,159
so you have to remember you know what it

553
00:21:52,070 --> 00:21:49,120
was like to

554
00:21:52,789 --> 00:21:52,080
to be a teenager and uh and fear could

555
00:21:55,510 --> 00:21:52,799
turn to

556
00:21:57,190 --> 00:21:55,520
uh excitement at that age uh pretty

557
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:57,200
pretty quickly and so

558
00:22:00,710 --> 00:21:58,320
they decided they were going to keep

559
00:22:02,950 --> 00:22:00,720
driving around and go back to this spot

560
00:22:05,110 --> 00:22:02,960
a few times just to see if if they saw

561
00:22:08,630 --> 00:22:05,120
anything else and so

562
00:22:09,590 --> 00:22:08,640
as they were going back again the uh the

563
00:22:12,870 --> 00:22:09,600
the passenger

564
00:22:15,190 --> 00:22:12,880
in in the uh the vehicle she said that

565
00:22:17,350 --> 00:22:15,200
she had looked over into this field and

566
00:22:19,029 --> 00:22:17,360
she saw the huge figure standing in the

567
00:22:21,830 --> 00:22:19,039
field and at that point she said that

568
00:22:23,750 --> 00:22:21,840
she saw these these glowing red eyes

569
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:23,760
um you know of course i asked him if

570
00:22:25,830 --> 00:22:25,520
anything else strange had been happening

571
00:22:28,149 --> 00:22:25,840
that

572
00:22:29,590 --> 00:22:28,159
evening you know if there was any sort

573
00:22:32,470 --> 00:22:29,600
of uh associated

574
00:22:33,270 --> 00:22:32,480
unusual phenomenon they they described

575
00:22:36,549 --> 00:22:33,280
how

576
00:22:39,669 --> 00:22:36,559
the radio in the the car

577
00:22:39,990 --> 00:22:39,679
um their words i believe exactly were

578
00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:40,000
that

579
00:22:43,029 --> 00:22:42,320
it would glitch every time they they

580
00:22:46,390 --> 00:22:43,039
went past

581
00:22:48,470 --> 00:22:46,400
this this uh area and you know i i

582
00:22:52,549 --> 00:22:48,480
of course asked them a little bit more

583
00:22:54,789 --> 00:22:52,559
uh about that to try to get them to

584
00:22:56,630 --> 00:22:54,799
explain it further and and and they said

585
00:22:58,070 --> 00:22:56,640
that basically what would happen is when

586
00:22:59,590 --> 00:22:58,080
they would drive past this area the

587
00:22:59,990 --> 00:22:59,600
radio would get very staticky and then

588
00:23:02,470 --> 00:23:00,000
it would

589
00:23:04,070 --> 00:23:02,480
you know play multiple radio stations so

590
00:23:06,630 --> 00:23:04,080
you know uh they were listening to one

591
00:23:08,310 --> 00:23:06,640
station in like the 80s or something and

592
00:23:10,470 --> 00:23:08,320
it was playing uh it would play

593
00:23:12,950 --> 00:23:10,480
simultaneously another station all the

594
00:23:16,149 --> 00:23:12,960
way across the dial in like the hundreds

595
00:23:17,430 --> 00:23:16,159
um and they would drive past this area

596
00:23:20,630 --> 00:23:17,440
and then they also

597
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:20,640
reported seeing uh a large number of

598
00:23:24,149 --> 00:23:21,840
deer

599
00:23:25,990 --> 00:23:24,159
so running in the direction away from

600
00:23:27,029 --> 00:23:26,000
that area throughout the evening as well

601
00:23:30,230 --> 00:23:27,039
so

602
00:23:32,230 --> 00:23:30,240
um it's an interesting report

603
00:23:34,390 --> 00:23:32,240
uh you know having spoken to both of

604
00:23:37,029 --> 00:23:34,400
them directly

605
00:23:38,789 --> 00:23:37,039
they seem they seem credible uh you know

606
00:23:39,350 --> 00:23:38,799
they they both seem like fine young

607
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:39,360
women

608
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:42,320
um and so uh you know i'm excited to go

609
00:23:46,149 --> 00:23:44,080
out there and check it out and

610
00:23:48,470 --> 00:23:46,159
sort of verify all of the the details

611
00:23:50,070 --> 00:23:48,480
that i i can and we'll we'll have our

612
00:23:52,149 --> 00:23:50,080
our cameras on us in case anything

613
00:23:54,230 --> 00:23:52,159
happens you never know

614
00:23:56,549 --> 00:23:54,240
it's good yeah that sounds interesting i

615
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:56,559
mean you know

616
00:23:59,750 --> 00:23:58,159
you almost got to check everything out

617
00:24:03,110 --> 00:23:59,760
now i mean you know we never

618
00:24:05,190 --> 00:24:03,120
really know when any type of report

619
00:24:06,950 --> 00:24:05,200
it you know in the whole you know the

620
00:24:08,630 --> 00:24:06,960
whole region

621
00:24:10,549 --> 00:24:08,640
is going to be connected to whatever

622
00:24:14,870 --> 00:24:10,559
we've been investigating you know it's

623
00:24:17,750 --> 00:24:14,880
um you know this whole investigation has

624
00:24:17,990 --> 00:24:17,760
just been so bizarre you know it's funny

625
00:24:30,470 --> 00:24:18,000
i

626
00:24:33,190 --> 00:24:30,480
park

627
00:24:34,149 --> 00:24:33,200
where that woman walked up into the uh

628
00:24:37,350 --> 00:24:34,159
at the playground

629
00:24:40,390 --> 00:24:37,360
and to that standing uh

630
00:24:42,390 --> 00:24:40,400
winged humanoid and you know she had the

631
00:24:44,070 --> 00:24:42,400
reaction where she got weak and had to

632
00:24:46,230 --> 00:24:44,080
go sit down and

633
00:24:48,070 --> 00:24:46,240
you know then got back to her house and

634
00:24:50,149 --> 00:24:48,080
her son or her

635
00:24:52,149 --> 00:24:50,159
went back out and this thing jumped out

636
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,159
of the bushes at her

637
00:24:56,149 --> 00:24:54,400
at them in the car and they came back

638
00:24:59,590 --> 00:24:56,159
and called me

639
00:25:01,190 --> 00:24:59,600
but uh you know of course that was that

640
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:01,200
was strange in itself you know

641
00:25:05,029 --> 00:25:03,440
some of the reactions especially early

642
00:25:06,630 --> 00:25:05,039
on with the people that are having with

643
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:06,640
these things now

644
00:25:10,149 --> 00:25:09,679
i i don't know if that's really been the

645
00:25:13,750 --> 00:25:10,159
case

646
00:25:15,909 --> 00:25:13,760
lately i don't know if any of the

647
00:25:19,190 --> 00:25:15,919
witnesses that we have had in

648
00:25:22,310 --> 00:25:19,200
the past years coming out of the um

649
00:25:25,590 --> 00:25:22,320
airport have had any

650
00:25:30,549 --> 00:25:25,600
real physical reactions to these things

651
00:25:37,350 --> 00:25:34,789
um not really i mean

652
00:25:39,110 --> 00:25:37,360
this last sighting they the gentleman

653
00:25:40,630 --> 00:25:39,120
said i asked you know did you feel

654
00:25:42,470 --> 00:25:40,640
anything you know did you

655
00:25:44,549 --> 00:25:42,480
you know feel any kind of like fear

656
00:25:47,990 --> 00:25:44,559
dread anything like that

657
00:25:50,870 --> 00:25:48,000
um he said no i mean

658
00:25:52,070 --> 00:25:50,880
the lady from the usps facility of

659
00:25:53,909 --> 00:25:52,080
course yeah

660
00:25:55,190 --> 00:25:53,919
i can understand her that thing took off

661
00:25:57,590 --> 00:25:55,200
straight for her

662
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:57,600
um i would be screaming ducking into my

663
00:26:00,710 --> 00:25:58,320
car and

664
00:26:02,549 --> 00:26:00,720
going hysterical at that point as well

665
00:26:05,590 --> 00:26:02,559
um

666
00:26:06,789 --> 00:26:05,600
but most of the time no i mean the

667
00:26:08,470 --> 00:26:06,799
people in the

668
00:26:09,990 --> 00:26:08,480
in the woods yeah of course i mean

669
00:26:11,669 --> 00:26:10,000
you're seeing something

670
00:26:13,510 --> 00:26:11,679
staring back at you that's seven foot

671
00:26:14,470 --> 00:26:13,520
tall and you know looks like a giant

672
00:26:18,070 --> 00:26:14,480
praying mantis

673
00:26:21,590 --> 00:26:18,080
uh i would be scared too um

674
00:26:23,669 --> 00:26:21,600
but as far as feeling anything dread or

675
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:23,679
anything like that i would really

676
00:26:28,230 --> 00:26:27,200
associated nothing really the gentleman

677
00:26:29,990 --> 00:26:28,240
who uh

678
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:30,000
the group of gentlemen who saw the uh

679
00:26:34,789 --> 00:26:31,919
the one in versailles

680
00:26:35,669 --> 00:26:34,799
the uh while they were fishing they did

681
00:26:38,630 --> 00:26:35,679
state that

682
00:26:39,669 --> 00:26:38,640
you know for a while you know there were

683
00:26:43,430 --> 00:26:39,679
no birds singing

684
00:26:46,310 --> 00:26:43,440
there's no bird no activity no no

685
00:26:46,870 --> 00:26:46,320
surrounding you know sound of anything

686
00:26:49,190 --> 00:26:46,880
and

687
00:26:50,390 --> 00:26:49,200
that area itself is it's pretty teeming

688
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:50,400
when it comes to

689
00:26:56,149 --> 00:26:53,520
wildlife um the

690
00:26:57,190 --> 00:26:56,159
that pond that whole lake area right

691
00:27:00,630 --> 00:26:57,200
there is

692
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,640
is well known for having lots of birds

693
00:27:05,029 --> 00:27:03,520
and lots of uh wildlife you know in

694
00:27:06,789 --> 00:27:05,039
there and in that area that's why it's

695
00:27:08,390 --> 00:27:06,799
such a good fishing spot that people

696
00:27:11,669 --> 00:27:08,400
flock to

697
00:27:12,470 --> 00:27:11,679
but as far as you know feelings of dread

698
00:27:15,350 --> 00:27:12,480
i like to

699
00:27:17,029 --> 00:27:15,360
be kind of like to what people would

700
00:27:19,029 --> 00:27:17,039
experience in point pleasant

701
00:27:21,669 --> 00:27:19,039
i really haven't gotten really anything

702
00:27:23,909 --> 00:27:21,679
that that people saying that they have

703
00:27:26,070 --> 00:27:23,919
uh felt other than just you know being

704
00:27:28,870 --> 00:27:26,080
scared

705
00:27:30,470 --> 00:27:28,880
um like i'm just going through the the

706
00:27:32,870 --> 00:27:30,480
timeline real quick while we're

707
00:27:34,070 --> 00:27:32,880
while we're talking and see a couple

708
00:27:37,669 --> 00:27:34,080
things stood out

709
00:27:39,190 --> 00:27:37,679
uh just from the the o'hare um

710
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,200
sightings like those those three snow

711
00:27:44,950 --> 00:27:41,679
hair settings we had the

712
00:27:46,149 --> 00:27:44,960
uh let's see the june 30th uh the two

713
00:27:48,470 --> 00:27:46,159
women

714
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:48,480
who said that they encountered a huge

715
00:27:52,630 --> 00:27:50,080
owl with glowing red eyes it looked like

716
00:27:56,470 --> 00:27:52,640
they belonged to the devil himself

717
00:27:59,830 --> 00:27:56,480
um they seem to have a pretty

718
00:28:02,310 --> 00:27:59,840
pretty violent reaction um

719
00:28:03,990 --> 00:28:02,320
you know as far as as screaming and then

720
00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:04,000
describing this thing as

721
00:28:10,070 --> 00:28:08,080
as as you know you know being

722
00:28:12,389 --> 00:28:10,080
not necessarily demonic but using you

723
00:28:13,269 --> 00:28:12,399
know uh comparing it to the devil or

724
00:28:16,950 --> 00:28:13,279
whatever

725
00:28:20,070 --> 00:28:16,960
um and then that cargo

726
00:28:23,110 --> 00:28:20,080
employee that i mentioned before daniel

727
00:28:27,350 --> 00:28:23,120
now when i spoke to him

728
00:28:30,310 --> 00:28:27,360
he had a fairly strong reaction

729
00:28:31,750 --> 00:28:30,320
as well you know he he immediately sort

730
00:28:33,909 --> 00:28:31,760
of thought he was going crazy because he

731
00:28:36,070 --> 00:28:33,919
couldn't believe what he was seeing

732
00:28:37,350 --> 00:28:36,080
um you know and he described how he

733
00:28:39,990 --> 00:28:37,360
freaked out

734
00:28:40,630 --> 00:28:40,000
but and this is something that i've seen

735
00:28:50,870 --> 00:28:40,640
a

736
00:28:51,190 --> 00:28:50,880
uh level of objectivity or if you know

737
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,200
this

738
00:28:56,710 --> 00:28:54,240
is purely uh uh uh

739
00:28:58,070 --> 00:28:56,720
some sort of you know cultural uh

740
00:29:00,870 --> 00:28:58,080
reaction to the the

741
00:29:02,549 --> 00:29:00,880
sighting but you know he he said that

742
00:29:05,190 --> 00:29:02,559
this thing that he saw

743
00:29:06,549 --> 00:29:05,200
it felt really evil and you know that's

744
00:29:08,630 --> 00:29:06,559
that's come through

745
00:29:10,950 --> 00:29:08,640
at least a few times you know i talked

746
00:29:13,990 --> 00:29:10,960
to a witness recently

747
00:29:16,310 --> 00:29:14,000
who uh he had his sighting uh uh

748
00:29:18,310 --> 00:29:16,320
jonathan lane in in rockford illinois he

749
00:29:21,110 --> 00:29:18,320
was willing to go on the record

750
00:29:23,750 --> 00:29:21,120
and um you know when he had his siding

751
00:29:27,350 --> 00:29:23,760
back in in 2016

752
00:29:30,310 --> 00:29:27,360
you know he had a very sort of

753
00:29:31,350 --> 00:29:30,320
you know violent reaction to to whatever

754
00:29:33,830 --> 00:29:31,360
he had seen

755
00:29:35,269 --> 00:29:33,840
and you know speaking to him directly uh

756
00:29:38,950 --> 00:29:35,279
just earlier this year

757
00:29:42,070 --> 00:29:38,960
i could tell what kind of um effect that

758
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:42,080
this had had had on him um

759
00:29:45,909 --> 00:29:44,080
because when he saw this thing outside

760
00:29:48,630 --> 00:29:45,919
of his home and he described it as

761
00:29:50,070 --> 00:29:48,640
uh this black winged entity with these

762
00:29:52,950 --> 00:29:50,080
glowing red eyes

763
00:29:53,990 --> 00:29:52,960
uh you know he just he immediately fled

764
00:29:56,470 --> 00:29:54,000
like he he just

765
00:29:58,549 --> 00:29:56,480
ran as fast as he as he could you know

766
00:30:02,149 --> 00:29:58,559
into into his house

767
00:30:02,870 --> 00:30:02,159
um and so there there is some of that

768
00:30:04,789 --> 00:30:02,880
but you know i

769
00:30:06,149 --> 00:30:04,799
i've talked to witnesses relatively

770
00:30:09,510 --> 00:30:06,159
recently too

771
00:30:09,750 --> 00:30:09,520
who who don't describe that um you know

772
00:30:17,590 --> 00:30:09,760
i

773
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,600
past october

774
00:30:21,190 --> 00:30:19,200
and um you know she didn't really

775
00:30:23,909 --> 00:30:21,200
describe that that

776
00:30:24,950 --> 00:30:23,919
kind of overpowering fear that that

777
00:30:27,430 --> 00:30:24,960
fight or flight

778
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:27,440
you know um this thing feels evil i have

779
00:30:31,909 --> 00:30:28,640
to get the hell out of here

780
00:30:33,029 --> 00:30:31,919
kind of fear um you know for her it was

781
00:30:35,269 --> 00:30:33,039
more

782
00:30:36,710 --> 00:30:35,279
uh just being shocked you know just kind

783
00:30:40,149 --> 00:30:36,720
of being in off

784
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,159
for a a moment having seen this

785
00:30:45,590 --> 00:30:43,279
seemingly impossible being so um

786
00:30:46,389 --> 00:30:45,600
yeah i i think we get a pretty a pretty

787
00:30:49,430 --> 00:30:46,399
good mix

788
00:30:53,269 --> 00:30:49,440
but um there's always that element

789
00:30:54,630 --> 00:30:53,279
of of at least a a percentage

790
00:30:56,389 --> 00:30:54,640
of these sightings too big of a

791
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:56,399
percentage to ignore in

792
00:31:00,710 --> 00:30:59,600
in my personal opinion that uh that

793
00:31:04,070 --> 00:31:00,720
describe either

794
00:31:06,230 --> 00:31:04,080
this sense of of evil or or this this

795
00:31:07,590 --> 00:31:06,240
panicked sort of fear where they feel

796
00:31:13,269 --> 00:31:07,600
like they have to just

797
00:31:15,909 --> 00:31:13,279
run away yeah you know um

798
00:31:18,310 --> 00:31:15,919
you know of course we've all heard these

799
00:31:19,750 --> 00:31:18,320
accounts with other cryptids especially

800
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:19,760
with bigfoot

801
00:31:25,909 --> 00:31:23,600
where you know the witness would say

802
00:31:26,870 --> 00:31:25,919
that they had these physical feelings

803
00:31:29,750 --> 00:31:26,880
like you know

804
00:31:30,789 --> 00:31:29,760
weakness or maybe dread or something

805
00:31:34,310 --> 00:31:30,799
like that

806
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:34,320
and that it realized that this thing

807
00:31:39,909 --> 00:31:37,360
was you know watching their reaction and

808
00:31:42,710 --> 00:31:39,919
reacting to that reaction

809
00:31:44,870 --> 00:31:42,720
uh you know that that's why i was asking

810
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,880
about more recently if

811
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,000
people have been expressing that over by

812
00:31:53,269 --> 00:31:50,640
the airport that you know i don't know

813
00:31:53,750 --> 00:31:53,279
i i guess because of being such an open

814
00:31:55,830 --> 00:31:53,760
space

815
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:55,840
maybe that has something to do with it

816
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,799
as opposed to being in a closed space or

817
00:32:03,509 --> 00:32:00,960
you know nothing else going no activity

818
00:32:07,190 --> 00:32:03,519
around the person

819
00:32:09,830 --> 00:32:07,200
i don't know go ahead you had the uh

820
00:32:11,430 --> 00:32:09,840
i mean obviously the the one at the

821
00:32:14,630 --> 00:32:11,440
sorting facility the usps

822
00:32:17,190 --> 00:32:14,640
sorting facility and she was maybe

823
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,200
20 feet and this thing closed the

824
00:32:19,509 --> 00:32:18,960
distance to her within 10 feet and

825
00:32:22,630 --> 00:32:19,519
before you

826
00:32:24,310 --> 00:32:22,640
hop into the air i mean obviously

827
00:32:25,350 --> 00:32:24,320
she's going to have a reaction she's in

828
00:32:27,110 --> 00:32:25,360
the middle of a parking lot in the

829
00:32:29,990 --> 00:32:27,120
middle of the night and

830
00:32:31,269 --> 00:32:30,000
this thing's running for you um i would

831
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:31,279
be

832
00:32:35,509 --> 00:32:33,919
you know screaming probably too i'd

833
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,519
probably scream like a girl

834
00:32:38,549 --> 00:32:37,519
uh-huh i mean at the top of my lungs to

835
00:32:40,950 --> 00:32:38,559
get out of there

836
00:32:42,470 --> 00:32:40,960
and then you had the uh the group in

837
00:32:45,830 --> 00:32:42,480
waukegan

838
00:32:46,470 --> 00:32:45,840
on halloween night um the thing was with

839
00:32:50,070 --> 00:32:46,480
that

840
00:32:51,430 --> 00:32:50,080
prank

841
00:32:53,110 --> 00:32:51,440
they thought somebody was playing around

842
00:32:55,909 --> 00:32:53,120
with a mask with uh

843
00:32:58,470 --> 00:32:55,919
battery-operated light-up eyes and they

844
00:33:00,230 --> 00:32:58,480
got within i believe five feet

845
00:33:02,230 --> 00:33:00,240
of this thing before it took off into

846
00:33:04,789 --> 00:33:02,240
the air and they took off

847
00:33:06,310 --> 00:33:04,799
um they were running and screaming to

848
00:33:07,509 --> 00:33:06,320
their friends and

849
00:33:09,350 --> 00:33:07,519
you know their friends obviously didn't

850
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:09,360
believe them i think the quote was get

851
00:33:13,509 --> 00:33:10,480
off the drugs but

852
00:33:16,950 --> 00:33:13,519
uh you know they got within

853
00:33:19,669 --> 00:33:16,960
you know a stone's throw of this thing

854
00:33:21,029 --> 00:33:19,679
before it took off on them and it

855
00:33:23,350 --> 00:33:21,039
solicited yeah i mean

856
00:33:24,389 --> 00:33:23,360
it's a it's you know basic human enzyme

857
00:33:28,149 --> 00:33:24,399
it's a fight-or-flight

858
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:28,159
um instinct um the one with the ladies

859
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:29,120
again at the

860
00:33:34,549 --> 00:33:32,640
o'hare sorting facility you know

861
00:33:35,909 --> 00:33:34,559
they yeah they described it as demonic

862
00:33:37,750 --> 00:33:35,919
but i mean

863
00:33:39,750 --> 00:33:37,760
in speaking with those witnesses you

864
00:33:42,630 --> 00:33:39,760
know they were both very religious

865
00:33:44,070 --> 00:33:42,640
uh individuals and they both you know

866
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:44,080
grew up in the church

867
00:33:48,310 --> 00:33:46,480
so that was basically you know that's a

868
00:33:49,830 --> 00:33:48,320
fallback for them to be able to say hey

869
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,840
you know it was the devil himself you

870
00:33:53,669 --> 00:33:50,840
know

871
00:33:57,590 --> 00:33:53,679
um same kind of thing with the uh

872
00:33:59,110 --> 00:33:57,600
the ladies in schiller park i mean uh

873
00:34:00,789 --> 00:33:59,120
the one lady telling the daughter you

874
00:34:02,070 --> 00:34:00,799
know it's it's it's a demon

875
00:34:03,590 --> 00:34:02,080
you know and she started praying the

876
00:34:04,830 --> 00:34:03,600
rosary trying to you know make it go

877
00:34:08,149 --> 00:34:04,840
away

878
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:08,159
um a lot of these i would say are just

879
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:08,720
basic

880
00:34:13,270 --> 00:34:12,159
human you know emotions you know i see

881
00:34:15,190 --> 00:34:13,280
something that i don't

882
00:34:17,349 --> 00:34:15,200
understand or something that doesn't

883
00:34:20,470 --> 00:34:17,359
that appears threatening to me

884
00:34:22,230 --> 00:34:20,480
um you know my first thing is the first

885
00:34:23,750 --> 00:34:22,240
instinct that's going to happen and

886
00:34:25,430 --> 00:34:23,760
you really can't even control it's the

887
00:34:27,349 --> 00:34:25,440
fight-or-flight instinct

888
00:34:28,710 --> 00:34:27,359
and you know you're thinking about

889
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,720
self-preservation

890
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:30,720
at this point or you know but defending

891
00:34:34,389 --> 00:34:31,760
your family

892
00:34:34,869 --> 00:34:34,399
um and it's going to solicit that kind

893
00:34:37,909 --> 00:34:34,879
of

894
00:34:39,990 --> 00:34:37,919
response now

895
00:34:42,629 --> 00:34:40,000
uh the folks in the chat if you have a

896
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:42,639
question don't hesitate to go ahead and

897
00:34:48,230 --> 00:34:46,639
type it out i'll um see we can answer we

898
00:34:50,950 --> 00:34:48,240
got one here

899
00:34:52,430 --> 00:34:50,960
uh do you think these wing cryptids are

900
00:34:54,869 --> 00:34:52,440
going through

901
00:34:56,389 --> 00:34:54,879
metamorphosis and changing or

902
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:56,399
shape-shifting

903
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:58,640
you know i think we've talked about that

904
00:35:03,109 --> 00:34:59,839
um

905
00:35:05,030 --> 00:35:03,119
previously or among ourselves

906
00:35:09,030 --> 00:35:05,040
uh what do you guys think about that

907
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,670
oh oh i'm sorry i was i was looking at

908
00:35:19,030 --> 00:35:13,040
at some of these comments

909
00:35:23,030 --> 00:35:21,589
yeah he's got uh do you think these

910
00:35:24,470 --> 00:35:23,040
winged cryptids are going through

911
00:35:27,510 --> 00:35:24,480
metamorphosis

912
00:35:31,030 --> 00:35:27,520
and changing our shape-shifting

913
00:35:35,030 --> 00:35:31,040
huh interesting um

914
00:35:35,990 --> 00:35:35,040
you know i haven't seen anything to make

915
00:35:38,790 --> 00:35:36,000
me believe

916
00:35:40,069 --> 00:35:38,800
that that's the case uh now certainly

917
00:35:43,270 --> 00:35:40,079
there has been

918
00:35:45,750 --> 00:35:43,280
a wide variety of of descriptions

919
00:35:46,550 --> 00:35:45,760
throughout this investigation for you

920
00:35:49,910 --> 00:35:46,560
know these the

921
00:35:53,430 --> 00:35:49,920
the uh various uh uh winged humanoids

922
00:35:57,190 --> 00:35:53,440
um but as far as i know

923
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:57,200
uh nobody so far has described

924
00:36:05,430 --> 00:36:01,119
um one as as

925
00:36:06,710 --> 00:36:05,440
shape-shifting when when they saw it uh

926
00:36:10,710 --> 00:36:06,720
you know although i don't really want to

927
00:36:12,710 --> 00:36:10,720
misspeak about that i seem to remember

928
00:36:14,710 --> 00:36:12,720
there may have been a very very early

929
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,720
report where somebody may have described

930
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:16,320
something similar like that

931
00:36:23,750 --> 00:36:19,839
uh so i guess my answer to that is

932
00:36:26,069 --> 00:36:23,760
um i don't i don't personally think so

933
00:36:26,950 --> 00:36:26,079
given the uh the evidence that we

934
00:36:30,630 --> 00:36:26,960
currently have

935
00:36:33,270 --> 00:36:30,640
um i think it's possible but

936
00:36:37,030 --> 00:36:33,280
um nothing is is really pointing me in

937
00:36:40,069 --> 00:36:39,430
you know i haven't really noticed that

938
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:40,079
as well

939
00:36:44,390 --> 00:36:42,880
um you know sometimes when people

940
00:36:47,430 --> 00:36:44,400
describe these things

941
00:36:51,270 --> 00:36:47,440
they um they do

942
00:36:54,630 --> 00:36:51,280
seem to change

943
00:36:57,670 --> 00:36:54,640
in subtle ways like the one over by

944
00:37:00,790 --> 00:36:57,680
the lakeshore drive that was uh

945
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:00,800
hovering in front of the couple and it

946
00:37:05,349 --> 00:37:03,839
kind of started vibrating on them but

947
00:37:06,950 --> 00:37:05,359
you know it really didn't show many

948
00:37:08,870 --> 00:37:06,960
changes and of course when we first

949
00:37:11,270 --> 00:37:08,880
started getting these reports

950
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:11,280
the earlier the earlier reports were

951
00:37:15,430 --> 00:37:12,240
like that of

952
00:37:18,390 --> 00:37:15,440
the sector mothman then it kind of got

953
00:37:21,510 --> 00:37:18,400
went to the uh the alman type thing

954
00:37:24,470 --> 00:37:21,520
something with feathers and it changed

955
00:37:25,109 --> 00:37:24,480
to what we get now most of the time is

956
00:37:28,470 --> 00:37:25,119
which the

957
00:37:31,910 --> 00:37:28,480
the winged the batwing dark gargle

958
00:37:33,430 --> 00:37:31,920
style wing creature now i don't know if

959
00:37:36,950 --> 00:37:33,440
these things have

960
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,960
are metamorphosized or they're just

961
00:37:40,630 --> 00:37:38,560
different ones out there i believe

962
00:37:44,390 --> 00:37:40,640
they're different ones out there just by

963
00:37:48,310 --> 00:37:44,400
maybe the locations and uh

964
00:37:50,390 --> 00:37:48,320
you know some of the subtle differences

965
00:37:51,430 --> 00:37:50,400
in these things now of course we don't

966
00:37:53,990 --> 00:37:51,440
know if they're

967
00:37:54,550 --> 00:37:54,000
indigenous but we kind of believe and i

968
00:37:56,790 --> 00:37:54,560
think mo

969
00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,800
you guys kind of believe that there's

970
00:38:00,550 --> 00:37:58,640
some way they're coming in and out some

971
00:38:02,790 --> 00:38:00,560
way because we've had people

972
00:38:04,950 --> 00:38:02,800
describe to us that they've seen them

973
00:38:08,230 --> 00:38:04,960
simply vanish

974
00:38:11,270 --> 00:38:08,240
or they just pop up somewhere they know

975
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:11,280
um you know the fleeting settings for

976
00:38:17,349 --> 00:38:12,400
the most part

977
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,109
here we got another here we got another

978
00:38:24,470 --> 00:38:21,359
one uh do you distinguish

979
00:38:26,870 --> 00:38:24,480
a moth man or flying humanoid sighting

980
00:38:29,430 --> 00:38:26,880
from a misidentification of an animal

981
00:38:30,950 --> 00:38:29,440
drone or other logical explanation

982
00:38:32,470 --> 00:38:30,960
well this is something we look to for

983
00:38:35,030 --> 00:38:32,480
the very beginning

984
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:35,040
man well why don't you handle that one

985
00:38:39,349 --> 00:38:36,320
well as

986
00:38:39,750 --> 00:38:39,359
we do make you know every effort to try

987
00:38:42,790 --> 00:38:39,760
to

988
00:38:44,069 --> 00:38:42,800
you know come up with um you know with a

989
00:38:46,470 --> 00:38:44,079
logical explanation

990
00:38:49,030 --> 00:38:46,480
tobias would you know agree you know you

991
00:38:51,750 --> 00:38:49,040
want to change it from a ufo to an ifo

992
00:38:53,030 --> 00:38:51,760
uh you know it's basic 10 years of

993
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:53,040
investigation

994
00:38:58,069 --> 00:38:56,240
but sometimes you can't i mean

995
00:38:59,750 --> 00:38:58,079
yes you have animals around here that

996
00:39:01,270 --> 00:38:59,760
can be misidentified

997
00:39:02,870 --> 00:39:01,280
you know if someone doesn't know what

998
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,880
they're looking for or

999
00:39:05,910 --> 00:39:05,520
in the middle of the night but when

1000
00:39:07,190 --> 00:39:05,920
you're

1001
00:39:09,750 --> 00:39:07,200
talking about creatures that are

1002
00:39:13,270 --> 00:39:09,760
standing seven eight nine foot tall

1003
00:39:14,550 --> 00:39:13,280
um i you know it's kind of hard to i

1004
00:39:17,589 --> 00:39:14,560
mean you have some large

1005
00:39:20,150 --> 00:39:17,599
animals here like sand hill cranes uh

1006
00:39:21,190 --> 00:39:20,160
herons can get pretty large but they're

1007
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:21,200
not that

1008
00:39:26,310 --> 00:39:24,400
large um and you can tell uh

1009
00:39:28,230 --> 00:39:26,320
if you see them in flight i can i see

1010
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:28,240
them all the time

1011
00:39:31,270 --> 00:39:30,079
along with like canadian geese they're

1012
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:31,280
everywhere right now

1013
00:39:35,829 --> 00:39:34,960
um so you see them you can tell what

1014
00:39:38,069 --> 00:39:35,839
they are

1015
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:38,079
um some of these people are seeing them

1016
00:39:43,109 --> 00:39:39,440
on the ground and they're seeing

1017
00:39:43,829 --> 00:39:43,119
um they're seeing you know the eyes and

1018
00:39:47,670 --> 00:39:43,839
stuff like the

1019
00:39:48,950 --> 00:39:47,680
glowing red eyes um i saw somebody sent

1020
00:39:51,190 --> 00:39:48,960
me a picture recently of an

1021
00:39:52,790 --> 00:39:51,200
owl that was shut up in a tree that had

1022
00:39:57,270 --> 00:39:52,800
glowing red eyes

1023
00:40:01,910 --> 00:40:00,069
but i mean owls i think the biggest

1024
00:40:03,109 --> 00:40:01,920
house you can find are maybe what two

1025
00:40:05,270 --> 00:40:03,119
foot three foot

1026
00:40:07,190 --> 00:40:05,280
at the most biggest eagles which will

1027
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:07,200
read like harpy eagles or something like

1028
00:40:10,630 --> 00:40:08,400
that would be

1029
00:40:11,430 --> 00:40:10,640
at most three to four feet tall they're

1030
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:11,440
not seven

1031
00:40:17,510 --> 00:40:14,640
eight foot tall um and

1032
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:17,520
you can tell what that the birds as far

1033
00:40:21,190 --> 00:40:17,920
as

1034
00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:21,200
drones the thing about drones

1035
00:40:26,069 --> 00:40:24,400
is that you are taking a huge chance i

1036
00:40:27,670 --> 00:40:26,079
mean i've seen drones all over the place

1037
00:40:29,030 --> 00:40:27,680
here they people have them here that

1038
00:40:30,790 --> 00:40:29,040
they fly them around

1039
00:40:32,870 --> 00:40:30,800
you can hear them you can you know what

1040
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:32,880
they are um

1041
00:40:35,910 --> 00:40:34,640
and even these professional drones they

1042
00:40:38,870 --> 00:40:35,920
make noise

1043
00:40:39,430 --> 00:40:38,880
uh and that can be distinguished you

1044
00:40:41,510 --> 00:40:39,440
know this

1045
00:40:43,190 --> 00:40:41,520
you can distinguish the noise but you're

1046
00:40:45,750 --> 00:40:43,200
also taking a huge

1047
00:40:47,349 --> 00:40:45,760
chance doing this around the airport

1048
00:40:48,790 --> 00:40:47,359
this is something that they're not gonna

1049
00:40:49,589 --> 00:40:48,800
take a prank they're gonna put you in

1050
00:40:52,470 --> 00:40:49,599
jail

1051
00:40:53,750 --> 00:40:52,480
um for that one of those uh and we

1052
00:40:55,510 --> 00:40:53,760
discussed this before one of those

1053
00:40:56,550 --> 00:40:55,520
drones gets sucked up into the engine of

1054
00:41:03,109 --> 00:40:56,560
an

1055
00:41:05,829 --> 00:41:03,119
for sure it's gonna destroy that engine

1056
00:41:07,109 --> 00:41:05,839
um and you're gonna be in a world of

1057
00:41:09,430 --> 00:41:07,119
trouble at that point

1058
00:41:10,870 --> 00:41:09,440
um because you're absolutely endangering

1059
00:41:13,990 --> 00:41:10,880
people's lives

1060
00:41:14,710 --> 00:41:14,000
but it's these people are talking about

1061
00:41:17,750 --> 00:41:14,720
the seeing

1062
00:41:19,589 --> 00:41:17,760
flesh and blood and the way that they

1063
00:41:21,030 --> 00:41:19,599
describe the movement can only be

1064
00:41:21,910 --> 00:41:21,040
described as something that's flesh and

1065
00:41:25,750 --> 00:41:21,920
blood

1066
00:41:27,430 --> 00:41:25,760
um you know there are some things that

1067
00:41:29,510 --> 00:41:27,440
just don't add up i mean

1068
00:41:30,790 --> 00:41:29,520
we've talked about wing size we talked

1069
00:41:33,589 --> 00:41:30,800
about you know

1070
00:41:35,670 --> 00:41:33,599
the physics of the of the matter but

1071
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:35,680
we're also talking about you know

1072
00:41:40,230 --> 00:41:39,119
the way it takes off uh you know some

1073
00:41:43,430 --> 00:41:40,240
things don't add up

1074
00:41:45,190 --> 00:41:43,440
but i you know there's just too many we

1075
00:41:47,109 --> 00:41:45,200
go through every process we can to

1076
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:47,119
identify you know what this could have

1077
00:41:49,829 --> 00:41:48,720
been and there are quite a few reports

1078
00:41:51,430 --> 00:41:49,839
that we've all gotten

1079
00:41:54,309 --> 00:41:51,440
that we've been able to you know

1080
00:41:56,230 --> 00:41:54,319
identify but

1081
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:56,240
and dismiss them as something like a

1082
00:42:01,270 --> 00:41:58,560
bird or you know or something else

1083
00:42:02,870 --> 00:42:01,280
but there's quite a few the majority of

1084
00:42:04,710 --> 00:42:02,880
the ones that we cannot explain and we

1085
00:42:06,870 --> 00:42:04,720
do everything as a team

1086
00:42:08,069 --> 00:42:06,880
to try to explain that and come up with

1087
00:42:10,550 --> 00:42:08,079
an explanation

1088
00:42:11,349 --> 00:42:10,560
to uh whether it's something that can be

1089
00:42:13,750 --> 00:42:11,359
identified

1090
00:42:14,470 --> 00:42:13,760
as i an ifo or something that's

1091
00:42:17,270 --> 00:42:14,480
identified

1092
00:42:19,109 --> 00:42:17,280
you know quote-unquote ufo and i'm so

1093
00:42:19,750 --> 00:42:19,119
glad that that that you mentioned that

1094
00:42:22,309 --> 00:42:19,760
too

1095
00:42:23,589 --> 00:42:22,319
manuel um you know i i think people have

1096
00:42:25,190 --> 00:42:23,599
this idea

1097
00:42:27,349 --> 00:42:25,200
because maybe they don't hear about

1098
00:42:30,790 --> 00:42:27,359
these sightings quite as much that like

1099
00:42:32,870 --> 00:42:30,800
we never get any any uh uh

1100
00:42:34,710 --> 00:42:32,880
reports that that end up being explained

1101
00:42:37,109 --> 00:42:34,720
as misidentified birds or something

1102
00:42:37,910 --> 00:42:37,119
we absolutely do like that that's the

1103
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:37,920
thing that

1104
00:42:43,510 --> 00:42:41,040
that happens um but you know

1105
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,520
once you've explained it as a a bird

1106
00:42:46,470 --> 00:42:45,520
it's not really a huge fortian mystery

1107
00:42:48,710 --> 00:42:46,480
anymore

1108
00:42:49,589 --> 00:42:48,720
and um you know you probably don't hear

1109
00:42:52,309 --> 00:42:49,599
about those

1110
00:42:53,109 --> 00:42:52,319
uh as as much but it definitely does

1111
00:42:56,150 --> 00:42:53,119
happen

1112
00:42:56,790 --> 00:42:56,160
so when you by by the time you get uh a

1113
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,800
sighting

1114
00:43:00,470 --> 00:42:58,400
uh in front of you you know when you're

1115
00:43:02,550 --> 00:43:00,480
reading the article about it or whatever

1116
00:43:03,990 --> 00:43:02,560
um and it's describing something weird

1117
00:43:05,589 --> 00:43:04,000
then we've already gone through all of

1118
00:43:08,470 --> 00:43:05,599
the steps that we would normally do

1119
00:43:09,270 --> 00:43:08,480
to try to weed out any any monday uh

1120
00:43:13,430 --> 00:43:09,280
explanation

1121
00:43:15,910 --> 00:43:13,440
for that that citing report

1122
00:43:17,430 --> 00:43:15,920
yeah uh we got another one here it's

1123
00:43:19,589 --> 00:43:17,440
interesting do you guys think the

1124
00:43:21,750 --> 00:43:19,599
chicago sightings are related uh related

1125
00:43:25,670 --> 00:43:21,760
to the point pleasant sightings

1126
00:43:27,510 --> 00:43:25,680
50 years ago to december well i i think

1127
00:43:29,109 --> 00:43:27,520
personally and i think you guys may

1128
00:43:31,349 --> 00:43:29,119
agree that

1129
00:43:32,150 --> 00:43:31,359
the uh there is a difference i don't i

1130
00:43:35,190 --> 00:43:32,160
don't think

1131
00:43:38,069 --> 00:43:35,200
what was going on at point pleasant

1132
00:43:39,349 --> 00:43:38,079
is uh is what people are seeing in

1133
00:43:41,190 --> 00:43:39,359
chicago first of all

1134
00:43:42,790 --> 00:43:41,200
the point pleasant sightings those

1135
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:42,800
things were that thing was aggressive

1136
00:43:46,790 --> 00:43:44,079
and i think it was probably

1137
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,800
one it wasn't a whole if it was more

1138
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:48,800
than one and one many of them

1139
00:43:54,150 --> 00:43:51,280
uh it was a different style it was the

1140
00:43:55,190 --> 00:43:54,160
of course the insectoid wing of course i

1141
00:43:58,470 --> 00:43:55,200
had the red eyes

1142
00:44:01,510 --> 00:43:58,480
but it didn't seem to um to

1143
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,520
really be similar to what

1144
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,119
people are seeing in chicago you know

1145
00:44:09,109 --> 00:44:05,760
chicago we're getting the

1146
00:44:10,630 --> 00:44:09,119
the gargoyle bat like wings pretty good

1147
00:44:13,829 --> 00:44:10,640
wingspan

1148
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:13,839
uh not flapping the wings for the most

1149
00:44:17,430 --> 00:44:14,240
part

1150
00:44:18,390 --> 00:44:17,440
has some type of propulsion mechanism to

1151
00:44:21,510 --> 00:44:18,400
where they can

1152
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:21,520
kind of just shoot up into the air

1153
00:44:27,510 --> 00:44:24,720
uh i don't you know

1154
00:44:28,710 --> 00:44:27,520
talking about harbingers i don't think

1155
00:44:31,349 --> 00:44:28,720
the harbinger thing

1156
00:44:31,990 --> 00:44:31,359
even comes into any of the equations on

1157
00:44:35,670 --> 00:44:32,000
both

1158
00:44:38,150 --> 00:44:35,680
of uh in point pleasant or chicago you

1159
00:44:39,990 --> 00:44:38,160
know that's

1160
00:44:42,390 --> 00:44:40,000
i think the part from your theory is

1161
00:44:44,470 --> 00:44:42,400
kind of fiction for the most part

1162
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,480
uh it'll maybe it'll prove me wrong one

1163
00:44:48,630 --> 00:44:45,760
day i don't know

1164
00:44:49,510 --> 00:44:48,640
but uh you know i i don't think there's

1165
00:44:51,829 --> 00:44:49,520
really much

1166
00:44:53,750 --> 00:44:51,839
connection between the two other than

1167
00:44:56,870 --> 00:44:53,760
that they're winged humanoids and

1168
00:45:00,550 --> 00:44:56,880
um you know they they may very well

1169
00:45:04,390 --> 00:45:00,560
come from the same place uh they may be

1170
00:45:05,829 --> 00:45:04,400
either some type of unknown being an

1171
00:45:08,230 --> 00:45:05,839
ultra-terrestrial

1172
00:45:10,309 --> 00:45:08,240
extraterrestrial that moves in and out

1173
00:45:11,349 --> 00:45:10,319
some type of portal or from some other

1174
00:45:12,790 --> 00:45:11,359
reality

1175
00:45:15,030 --> 00:45:12,800
you know that's something we just don't

1176
00:45:16,710 --> 00:45:15,040
know uh i i don't think they're

1177
00:45:19,510 --> 00:45:16,720
indigenous because we haven't

1178
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:19,520
really received any reports of people

1179
00:45:23,910 --> 00:45:20,400
seeing these things

1180
00:45:26,150 --> 00:45:23,920
feed i mean you know

1181
00:45:27,670 --> 00:45:26,160
you think if something was living yeah

1182
00:45:30,630 --> 00:45:27,680
and that's another thing

1183
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:30,640
uh how many dead animal reports pets and

1184
00:45:36,309 --> 00:45:32,960
such that we heard coming out of chicago

1185
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:36,319
zilch we haven't heard any of that

1186
00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:39,359
so uh the only report i remember is

1187
00:45:42,870 --> 00:45:41,119
this this thing coming down a tree and

1188
00:45:47,589 --> 00:45:42,880
grabbing a squirrel but that was about

1189
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:47,599
it you guys got anything to add to that

1190
00:45:51,589 --> 00:45:50,720
um not as far as like missing missing

1191
00:45:53,670 --> 00:45:51,599
animals i

1192
00:45:55,589 --> 00:45:53,680
i think that that that you and i do

1193
00:45:59,030 --> 00:45:55,599
disagree a little bit on

1194
00:45:59,990 --> 00:45:59,040
on uh any uh possible connection to the

1195
00:46:03,030 --> 00:46:00,000
the 66

1196
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:03,040
to 67 point pleasant flap um

1197
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:06,160
i i do think if if you go back

1198
00:46:09,589 --> 00:46:08,800
and look at what people were were really

1199
00:46:11,750 --> 00:46:09,599
reporting

1200
00:46:12,950 --> 00:46:11,760
in in point pleasant and still are like

1201
00:46:15,910 --> 00:46:12,960
i mean it never

1202
00:46:17,589 --> 00:46:15,920
ended so you know all through the the uh

1203
00:46:19,109 --> 00:46:17,599
ohio river valley people are still

1204
00:46:22,390 --> 00:46:19,119
seeing this thing

1205
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:22,400
um you do see a relatively

1206
00:46:26,870 --> 00:46:26,000
broad array of descriptive elements in

1207
00:46:30,150 --> 00:46:26,880
those sightings

1208
00:46:32,150 --> 00:46:30,160
and a lot of them do correlate to the

1209
00:46:32,950 --> 00:46:32,160
the the same descriptive elements that

1210
00:46:36,069 --> 00:46:32,960
we see

1211
00:46:37,990 --> 00:46:36,079
uh in the the sightings all around like

1212
00:46:40,550 --> 00:46:38,000
that is true i mean we are getting

1213
00:46:43,510 --> 00:46:40,560
sightings from those areas now

1214
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:43,520
that have that exact same description

1215
00:46:46,550 --> 00:46:44,800
but as far as the

1216
00:46:48,630 --> 00:46:46,560
point pleasant moth man i don't think

1217
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:48,640
there was any deviation

1218
00:46:53,349 --> 00:46:51,040
as to what people were seeing it in that

1219
00:46:55,990 --> 00:46:53,359
year do you think

1220
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:56,000
well it yeah there there there there was

1221
00:46:59,990 --> 00:46:56,640
some

1222
00:47:02,309 --> 00:47:00,000
um and i'm gonna have to try to remember

1223
00:47:04,150 --> 00:47:02,319
right details off the top of my head but

1224
00:47:08,150 --> 00:47:04,160
like if you look at

1225
00:47:10,230 --> 00:47:08,160
say like uh uh uh linda scarberry uh

1226
00:47:11,829 --> 00:47:10,240
you know she was a famous mothman

1227
00:47:14,390 --> 00:47:11,839
witness from that era

1228
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:14,400
and sort of what she described was more

1229
00:47:18,630 --> 00:47:15,359
of like the

1230
00:47:22,230 --> 00:47:18,640
the giant owl type creature

1231
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:22,240
you know um and uh and then you know you

1232
00:47:26,710 --> 00:47:23,440
you had other people

1233
00:47:28,630 --> 00:47:26,720
uh well much like today

1234
00:47:30,069 --> 00:47:28,640
now there there were the witnesses who

1235
00:47:30,710 --> 00:47:30,079
went on record but there were also many

1236
00:47:33,349 --> 00:47:30,720
witnesses

1237
00:47:33,990 --> 00:47:33,359
as noted by by john keel who who didn't

1238
00:47:36,230 --> 00:47:34,000
want to

1239
00:47:37,910 --> 00:47:36,240
have their their name put out there yeah

1240
00:47:39,430 --> 00:47:37,920
some of those descriptions would be sort

1241
00:47:41,589 --> 00:47:39,440
of all over the place

1242
00:47:42,790 --> 00:47:41,599
and and you would end up with people uh

1243
00:47:46,870 --> 00:47:42,800
describing you know

1244
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:46,880
a giant bat a giant owl uh a flying man

1245
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,920
um you know it it it really ran

1246
00:47:54,069 --> 00:47:52,559
the the gamut i think that we've seen

1247
00:47:57,670 --> 00:47:54,079
culturally

1248
00:48:01,109 --> 00:47:57,680
um uh that that people have

1249
00:48:04,390 --> 00:48:01,119
sort of adopted one of the the specific

1250
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,400
descriptions um and sort of

1251
00:48:09,829 --> 00:48:07,839
uh uh overlaid that over the the entire

1252
00:48:11,750 --> 00:48:09,839
phenomenon from that time but

1253
00:48:13,829 --> 00:48:11,760
i i really think that that the

1254
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:13,839
descriptions given from people

1255
00:48:17,670 --> 00:48:16,559
you know in that area varied more than

1256
00:48:21,030 --> 00:48:17,680
than generally

1257
00:48:22,309 --> 00:48:21,040
uh we we give them credit for it um

1258
00:48:24,390 --> 00:48:22,319
yeah i think there's a lot of parallels

1259
00:48:26,069 --> 00:48:24,400
i think you throw in the ufos and

1260
00:48:27,990 --> 00:48:26,079
and everything else the the other

1261
00:48:29,190 --> 00:48:28,000
strange flying creatures pterosaur

1262
00:48:33,349 --> 00:48:29,200
sightings and things

1263
00:48:35,750 --> 00:48:33,359
happening uh uh around those areas and

1264
00:48:37,589 --> 00:48:35,760
it all seems pretty similar to me i mean

1265
00:48:39,910 --> 00:48:37,599
the only thing we were missing was

1266
00:48:42,549 --> 00:48:39,920
was strange men in black but even that

1267
00:48:46,829 --> 00:48:42,559
popped up just a a little bit here too

1268
00:48:50,870 --> 00:48:46,839
so yeah yeah oh yeah

1269
00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,880
um matt mccart mccartney has a

1270
00:48:55,670 --> 00:48:53,440
uh question are any of the wing

1271
00:48:57,750 --> 00:48:55,680
humanoids seen flying

1272
00:48:58,710 --> 00:48:57,760
by actually flapping their bat-like

1273
00:49:02,230 --> 00:48:58,720
wings

1274
00:49:03,829 --> 00:49:02,240
occasionally yeah uh very few most of

1275
00:49:06,390 --> 00:49:03,839
the time they're gliding or

1276
00:49:07,109 --> 00:49:06,400
shooting around somewhere on the ground

1277
00:49:08,630 --> 00:49:07,119
um

1278
00:49:11,990 --> 00:49:08,640
but there have been some flight there

1279
00:49:13,750 --> 00:49:12,000
has been some flapping

1280
00:49:15,510 --> 00:49:13,760
oh yeah their cells have been flapping

1281
00:49:17,430 --> 00:49:15,520
with um well

1282
00:49:19,030 --> 00:49:17,440
the most recent one with the air traffic

1283
00:49:22,150 --> 00:49:19,040
controller um

1284
00:49:23,829 --> 00:49:22,160
he stated that you know uh

1285
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,839
it flapping won't trying to take off

1286
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:25,680
some of the airports once have

1287
00:49:30,470 --> 00:49:28,559
have reported you know it flapping its

1288
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,480
wings as it took off i mean

1289
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:32,640
the majority of them you know still say

1290
00:49:36,069 --> 00:49:34,480
hey this thing jettisoned itself into

1291
00:49:39,349 --> 00:49:36,079
the air and took off

1292
00:49:41,430 --> 00:49:39,359
but um for the most part you know

1293
00:49:42,870 --> 00:49:41,440
there's not a whole lot of seeing it

1294
00:49:45,109 --> 00:49:42,880
while in flight

1295
00:49:46,630 --> 00:49:45,119
uh flappiness wings most time i would

1296
00:49:49,750 --> 00:49:46,640
think it's gliding

1297
00:49:51,430 --> 00:49:49,760
whether you know riding thermals or

1298
00:49:53,109 --> 00:49:51,440
you know it's kind of doing like a bird

1299
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:53,119
it gets enough acceleration that it can

1300
00:49:58,470 --> 00:49:55,040
fl it can glide for a little bit without

1301
00:50:00,710 --> 00:49:58,480
moving its wings

1302
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:00,720
uh we got another question do witnesses

1303
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,720
that report tragic events happening

1304
00:50:09,190 --> 00:50:05,440
subsequent to their sightings

1305
00:50:10,230 --> 00:50:09,200
no that's all i can say uh we're not

1306
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:10,240
getting that and

1307
00:50:13,510 --> 00:50:11,599
and that's just that you know it's

1308
00:50:15,990 --> 00:50:13,520
interesting when we first started

1309
00:50:19,030 --> 00:50:16,000
getting these reports back in mid

1310
00:50:22,230 --> 00:50:19,040
uh 2017

1311
00:50:23,190 --> 00:50:22,240
i was literally you know i was getting

1312
00:50:25,990 --> 00:50:23,200
calls 24

1313
00:50:28,230 --> 00:50:26,000
7 between july and august and i was

1314
00:50:31,510 --> 00:50:28,240
getting like 20 calls a day

1315
00:50:34,230 --> 00:50:31,520
from people that live in around chicago

1316
00:50:35,829 --> 00:50:34,240
that were scared of hearing about

1317
00:50:39,109 --> 00:50:35,839
sightings

1318
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:39,119
and were calling me which i just got a

1319
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:40,800
call now

1320
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:44,640
anyway i uh were calling me

1321
00:50:48,870 --> 00:50:46,960
and asking me well what's going to

1322
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:48,880
happen in chicago

1323
00:50:52,230 --> 00:50:50,640
i mean is something going to happen of

1324
00:50:54,309 --> 00:50:52,240
course you know these people seeing the

1325
00:50:56,309 --> 00:50:54,319
mothman prophecies and

1326
00:50:57,670 --> 00:50:56,319
know the story and all so yeah i mean

1327
00:50:59,109 --> 00:50:57,680
people were frightened

1328
00:51:01,750 --> 00:50:59,119
people are still frightened i'm still

1329
00:51:03,990 --> 00:51:01,760
getting people that occasionally call me

1330
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:04,000
and want to know you know what the deal

1331
00:51:09,910 --> 00:51:05,520
is with this you know

1332
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:09,920
is this thing a harbinger i i just don't

1333
00:51:15,430 --> 00:51:12,640
i just don't have anything from anybody

1334
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:15,440
that has said anything even similar

1335
00:51:22,470 --> 00:51:18,319
or related some tragedy to what people

1336
00:51:26,069 --> 00:51:22,480
are seeing what do you guys think

1337
00:51:28,390 --> 00:51:26,079
i'm with you yeah yeah you know i

1338
00:51:30,549 --> 00:51:28,400
i don't think that the the silver bridge

1339
00:51:32,790 --> 00:51:30,559
collapsing had anything to do with

1340
00:51:33,829 --> 00:51:32,800
the sightings in point pleasant yeah i

1341
00:51:36,230 --> 00:51:33,839
don't know

1342
00:51:37,430 --> 00:51:36,240
i hope not because and i i agree with

1343
00:51:38,870 --> 00:51:37,440
you too that it it

1344
00:51:40,230 --> 00:51:38,880
i don't believe in the harbinger doom

1345
00:51:42,150 --> 00:51:40,240
but and i hope not because one of the

1346
00:51:43,510 --> 00:51:42,160
last the latest reports was from outside

1347
00:51:47,030 --> 00:51:43,520
of a nuclear power plant

1348
00:51:48,870 --> 00:51:47,040
and uh i don't wanna i live in this area

1349
00:51:51,670 --> 00:51:48,880
so i don't wanna

1350
00:51:52,390 --> 00:51:51,680
wake up glowing next day but uh i mean

1351
00:51:54,630 --> 00:51:52,400
obviously i

1352
00:51:55,430 --> 00:51:54,640
don't think that there is any

1353
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,440
correlation

1354
00:51:58,790 --> 00:51:57,119
yeah we get things like the the

1355
00:52:02,230 --> 00:51:58,800
blackbird of chernobyl the

1356
00:52:03,750 --> 00:52:02,240
fukushima sightings the um

1357
00:52:05,430 --> 00:52:03,760
oh i can never remember the name of the

1358
00:52:07,589 --> 00:52:05,440
german one the streaker

1359
00:52:08,870 --> 00:52:07,599
uh the strasbourg streaker i believe is

1360
00:52:12,870 --> 00:52:08,880
what it's called

1361
00:52:15,589 --> 00:52:12,880
um but those can be just as anecdotal

1362
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:15,599
you know as you know deciding from the

1363
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,960
more generality the signings we've been

1364
00:52:19,990 --> 00:52:17,680
having

1365
00:52:20,790 --> 00:52:20,000
have been going on for a while since

1366
00:52:23,270 --> 00:52:20,800
2011

1367
00:52:24,950 --> 00:52:23,280
and nothing's happened in chicago that's

1368
00:52:28,549 --> 00:52:24,960
usually out of the ordinary

1369
00:52:30,390 --> 00:52:28,559
aside from maybe like coronavirus

1370
00:52:33,030 --> 00:52:30,400
and that happened everywhere you know i

1371
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:33,040
mean that's a part of it too you know

1372
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,720
uh the the the unfortunate fact is in in

1373
00:52:39,990 --> 00:52:38,160
in the world in which we live terrible

1374
00:52:43,109 --> 00:52:40,000
things happen all the time and

1375
00:52:46,630 --> 00:52:43,119
uh and they don't need a mothman around

1376
00:52:48,470 --> 00:52:46,640
you know so it's just it never it never

1377
00:52:49,430 --> 00:52:48,480
really made sense doesn't seem to be any

1378
00:52:53,109 --> 00:52:49,440
strong like

1379
00:52:55,829 --> 00:52:53,119
a a causative element there that i can

1380
00:52:59,829 --> 00:52:57,829
yeah we've got two good questions here

1381
00:53:02,470 --> 00:52:59,839
one one is do you think these flying

1382
00:53:05,510 --> 00:53:02,480
humanoids and jetpack pranksters

1383
00:53:07,910 --> 00:53:05,520
are infiltrators like lax maybe connect

1384
00:53:09,030 --> 00:53:07,920
i sure hell hope not you know we don't

1385
00:53:12,790 --> 00:53:09,040
need a bunch of

1386
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:12,800
jet pack flying around o'hara now

1387
00:53:18,630 --> 00:53:16,079
and uh you know as far as what we're

1388
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,640
investigating that would just i would

1389
00:53:22,150 --> 00:53:20,240
kind of put a monkey wrench into our

1390
00:53:22,710 --> 00:53:22,160
whole investigation people would start

1391
00:53:24,950 --> 00:53:22,720
saying oh

1392
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:24,960
that's what it's been all along what do

1393
00:53:31,430 --> 00:53:27,520
you guys think

1394
00:53:34,710 --> 00:53:31,440
honestly this lax jetpack

1395
00:53:38,069 --> 00:53:34,720
um you know phenomenon

1396
00:53:39,670 --> 00:53:38,079
i first off respect to him because you

1397
00:53:42,790 --> 00:53:39,680
have to have balls of steel

1398
00:53:43,349 --> 00:53:42,800
to be doing this especially in and

1399
00:53:45,910 --> 00:53:43,359
around

1400
00:53:47,190 --> 00:53:45,920
jets uh commercial jets and in their

1401
00:53:51,030 --> 00:53:47,200
flight paths

1402
00:53:53,109 --> 00:53:51,040
um but whoever's doing it eventually

1403
00:53:56,230 --> 00:53:53,119
gonna get found out and they're gonna be

1404
00:53:57,510 --> 00:53:56,240
in a world of trouble for this but uh i

1405
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:57,520
don't think that they're connected

1406
00:54:00,470 --> 00:53:58,000
because

1407
00:54:01,589 --> 00:54:00,480
obviously you know if it's a jet pack

1408
00:54:05,030 --> 00:54:01,599
that's it's in the name

1409
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:05,040
jet it's gonna make a lot of noise um

1410
00:54:08,470 --> 00:54:06,960
these things aren't silent these this is

1411
00:54:12,069 --> 00:54:08,480
not you know tony stark

1412
00:54:13,589 --> 00:54:12,079
uh iron man technology uh and even that

1413
00:54:15,270 --> 00:54:13,599
made noise but uh

1414
00:54:17,270 --> 00:54:15,280
i don't think that they're connected in

1415
00:54:18,630 --> 00:54:17,280
any way these seem to be

1416
00:54:20,470 --> 00:54:18,640
flesh and blood creatures because

1417
00:54:22,549 --> 00:54:20,480
they're doing things that

1418
00:54:27,109 --> 00:54:22,559
can only be described as something being

1419
00:54:30,950 --> 00:54:29,270
have any of the witnesses reported

1420
00:54:32,309 --> 00:54:30,960
strange health problems at their

1421
00:54:35,829 --> 00:54:32,319
encounters

1422
00:54:39,109 --> 00:54:35,839
yeah we had billy yeah yeah

1423
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:39,119
that that guy out in bosticero

1424
00:54:43,910 --> 00:54:42,240
uh if you guys don't remember it's one

1425
00:54:45,349 --> 00:54:43,920
of the earlier reports in fact i think

1426
00:54:48,230 --> 00:54:45,359
his report

1427
00:54:48,950 --> 00:54:48,240
came from march of 2017 though we got it

1428
00:54:51,190 --> 00:54:48,960
later

1429
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:51,200
it originally went to mufon and they

1430
00:54:56,309 --> 00:54:52,640
screwed that one up

1431
00:54:59,349 --> 00:54:56,319
but uh yeah that uh

1432
00:55:02,069 --> 00:54:59,359
he had some issues with his eyes

1433
00:55:03,589 --> 00:55:02,079
uh where he had some i don't know

1434
00:55:04,630 --> 00:55:03,599
exactly what happened something that

1435
00:55:07,670 --> 00:55:04,640
happened to his optic

1436
00:55:11,109 --> 00:55:07,680
nerve on both eyes

1437
00:55:14,069 --> 00:55:11,119
after he had seen this thing

1438
00:55:15,990 --> 00:55:14,079
and he showed me the documentation i

1439
00:55:17,829 --> 00:55:16,000
mean this guy actually went to doctor

1440
00:55:19,589 --> 00:55:17,839
something's going on and he had a lot of

1441
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:19,599
weird stuff going on around you

1442
00:55:25,750 --> 00:55:23,040
you know health issues with his family

1443
00:55:26,789 --> 00:55:25,760
uh he i think he believes that it was

1444
00:55:28,950 --> 00:55:26,799
because of this

1445
00:55:31,109 --> 00:55:28,960
the i don't know if we can really prove

1446
00:55:33,990 --> 00:55:31,119
that's what it was or not but

1447
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:34,000
i i can't think of anybody else that had

1448
00:55:40,390 --> 00:55:35,520
any

1449
00:55:42,390 --> 00:55:40,400
can you guys remember andy

1450
00:55:43,510 --> 00:55:42,400
no that's i mean that's that's literally

1451
00:55:46,549 --> 00:55:43,520
the only one that

1452
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:46,559
that that came to mind um was was that

1453
00:55:49,430 --> 00:55:47,359
particular one i

1454
00:55:50,630 --> 00:55:49,440
i i think he mentioned like his mother

1455
00:55:53,430 --> 00:55:50,640
passed away

1456
00:55:53,750 --> 00:55:53,440
yeah very good after two um which i mean

1457
00:56:26,870 --> 00:55:53,760
i

1458
00:56:29,829 --> 00:56:26,880
some type of

1459
00:56:31,910 --> 00:56:29,839
interdimensional being or that they kind

1460
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:31,920
of move in and out of realities i mean

1461
00:56:36,549 --> 00:56:34,400
we've had two witnesses now

1462
00:56:38,870 --> 00:56:36,559
who have stated to us uh one from

1463
00:56:43,109 --> 00:56:38,880
rockford and the other

1464
00:56:45,030 --> 00:56:43,119
the pair of old ladies just south of uh

1465
00:56:48,230 --> 00:56:45,040
of wrigley field you saw this these

1466
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,240
things fly to suddenly disappear

1467
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:51,440
uh unless they cloak somehow i don't

1468
00:56:55,829 --> 00:56:51,760
know

1469
00:56:59,510 --> 00:56:55,839
uh but i i kind of believe

1470
00:57:02,390 --> 00:56:59,520
myself that they're not of this world

1471
00:57:03,829 --> 00:57:02,400
well we also had a rosemont uh episode

1472
00:57:06,789 --> 00:57:03,839
where the lady was watching

1473
00:57:08,950 --> 00:57:06,799
and yeah the uh the what it looked like

1474
00:57:10,230 --> 00:57:08,960
a gray alien and the two humans i was

1475
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:10,240
there's a blinding flash of

1476
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:13,280
blue light and they were gone um

1477
00:57:18,710 --> 00:57:16,000
so you do have that and but you also

1478
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:18,720
have to think that it's chicago there

1479
00:57:21,750 --> 00:57:20,400
you know a lot of people think that

1480
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:21,760
chicago is like you know you're

1481
00:57:25,349 --> 00:57:23,599
everyone's gonna be watching out what's

1482
00:57:27,430 --> 00:57:25,359
you know seeing things

1483
00:57:30,230 --> 00:57:27,440
you have to understand that the whole

1484
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:30,240
area around chicago's the suburbs

1485
00:57:34,069 --> 00:57:32,240
are riddled with tunnels and riddled

1486
00:57:36,150 --> 00:57:34,079
with caves um

1487
00:57:37,349 --> 00:57:36,160
o'hare is no different there are tunnels

1488
00:57:40,630 --> 00:57:37,359
everywhere

1489
00:57:43,670 --> 00:57:40,640
and small tunnels big tunnels um

1490
00:57:44,870 --> 00:57:43,680
that anything could hide um the ones

1491
00:57:45,430 --> 00:57:44,880
when we were getting them around the

1492
00:57:48,549 --> 00:57:45,440
lake

1493
00:57:49,990 --> 00:57:48,559
area that whole area is just completely

1494
00:57:52,710 --> 00:57:50,000
riddled with tunnels

1495
00:57:53,510 --> 00:57:52,720
um utility tunnels some of the odors and

1496
00:57:55,109 --> 00:57:53,520
old uh

1497
00:57:57,190 --> 00:57:55,119
in the loop there's an old railroad

1498
00:57:59,270 --> 00:57:57,200
station or railroad tunnels

1499
00:58:00,710 --> 00:57:59,280
uh you have the l tracks that go

1500
00:58:03,349 --> 00:58:00,720
underneath everything

1501
00:58:04,390 --> 00:58:03,359
um roads you know you have lower wacker

1502
00:58:06,630 --> 00:58:04,400
drive one of the

1503
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:06,640
one of the ways we get to uh though to

1504
00:58:09,990 --> 00:58:07,599
the

1505
00:58:10,870 --> 00:58:10,000
lake front to take lower whack or drive

1506
00:58:13,349 --> 00:58:10,880
and

1507
00:58:14,230 --> 00:58:13,359
those are just you have had semi trucks

1508
00:58:17,510 --> 00:58:14,240
that go down there

1509
00:58:20,069 --> 00:58:17,520
that's how big these tunnels are um

1510
00:58:21,829 --> 00:58:20,079
you know there are abandoned tunnels all

1511
00:58:23,270 --> 00:58:21,839
over the place

1512
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:23,280
some of them that are still in use some

1513
00:58:28,069 --> 00:58:25,440
of them are not and

1514
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:28,079
easily ways for these things to hide um

1515
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:30,319
but i also think as well is that the

1516
00:58:36,309 --> 00:58:33,520
inter-dimensional you know um

1517
00:58:37,990 --> 00:58:36,319
i particularly love the i more gravitate

1518
00:58:41,109 --> 00:58:38,000
towards a summoned

1519
00:58:44,069 --> 00:58:41,119
um you know theory um

1520
00:58:45,190 --> 00:58:44,079
such as yeah you know you hear the the

1521
00:58:46,789 --> 00:58:45,200
stories of the things that like that

1522
00:58:48,870 --> 00:58:46,799
like tusa and stuff like that where the

1523
00:58:52,309 --> 00:58:48,880
ledusa has to be summoned

1524
00:58:55,030 --> 00:58:52,319
uh to be found um you know

1525
00:58:56,309 --> 00:58:55,040
to be support to come to this plane so i

1526
00:58:58,069 --> 00:58:56,319
kind of think that that's where you're

1527
00:58:59,430 --> 00:58:58,079
kind of coming off of

1528
00:59:02,230 --> 00:58:59,440
you've got things that can be summoned

1529
00:59:05,109 --> 00:59:02,240
and just brought into existence

1530
00:59:05,910 --> 00:59:05,119
yeah i think that summon theory i i kind

1531
00:59:07,829 --> 00:59:05,920
of believe that

1532
00:59:09,030 --> 00:59:07,839
has a lot to do with happening point

1533
00:59:11,990 --> 00:59:09,040
pleasant

1534
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,000
and uh you know i it's it's very

1535
00:59:16,069 --> 00:59:14,400
possible that's been going on in around

1536
00:59:18,069 --> 00:59:16,079
chicago but who knows

1537
00:59:20,150 --> 00:59:18,079
you know it's funny you know when this

1538
00:59:23,589 --> 00:59:20,160
we started getting these sightings

1539
00:59:26,630 --> 00:59:23,599
and especially the sightings um

1540
00:59:29,910 --> 00:59:26,640
down down along the lakefront uh

1541
00:59:31,750 --> 00:59:29,920
along lake lakeshore drive and the

1542
00:59:32,630 --> 00:59:31,760
overpass as these things were seen

1543
00:59:35,030 --> 00:59:32,640
ducked in the

1544
00:59:36,549 --> 00:59:35,040
ducking under the underpasses and of

1545
00:59:38,390 --> 00:59:36,559
course a lot of those have

1546
00:59:39,670 --> 00:59:38,400
uh maintenance tunnels that run

1547
00:59:41,349 --> 00:59:39,680
underneath there

1548
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,359
and of course we were looking into that

1549
00:59:43,990 --> 00:59:43,280
of course the city wasn't gonna help us

1550
00:59:46,390 --> 00:59:44,000
out

1551
00:59:47,589 --> 00:59:46,400
you know they weren't gonna tell us that

1552
00:59:50,230 --> 00:59:47,599
they were spotting any

1553
00:59:51,670 --> 00:59:50,240
any cameras or anything going in there

1554
00:59:55,430 --> 00:59:51,680
but that you know that's something we

1555
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:59,670
so let's see um

1556
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:02,309
can each person share what they think is

1557
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:04,960
the most remarkable report

1558
01:00:08,630 --> 01:00:08,079
that they have investigated now are you

1559
01:00:15,829 --> 01:00:08,640
talking

1560
01:00:18,309 --> 01:00:15,839
uh with this phenomena

1561
01:00:19,589 --> 01:00:18,319
i don't know but let's just talk about

1562
01:00:23,030 --> 01:00:19,599
this phenomena

1563
01:00:27,750 --> 01:00:23,040
which uh which report is the uh

1564
01:00:30,870 --> 01:00:27,760
most remarkable to you start with manuel

1565
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:30,880
uh to me the most remarkable one has to

1566
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,160
be one of the first ones i ever

1567
01:00:37,990 --> 01:00:34,400
investigated which is the odds park

1568
01:00:38,710 --> 01:00:38,000
uh sighting and the reason being is

1569
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:38,720
because

1570
01:00:44,950 --> 01:00:42,319
she was pretty close to this

1571
01:00:45,670 --> 01:00:44,960
creature she walked up on it uh much

1572
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:45,680
like the

1573
01:00:52,390 --> 01:00:49,440
later report um and

1574
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:52,400
she had um there was just a lot of

1575
01:00:55,270 --> 01:00:53,280
environmental

1576
01:00:57,270 --> 01:00:55,280
things i mean she says it was and i've

1577
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:57,280
been to oz park there's a lot of birds

1578
01:01:01,030 --> 01:00:58,160
and a lot of

1579
01:01:01,990 --> 01:01:01,040
noise but she wasn't hearing any of that

1580
01:01:04,150 --> 01:01:02,000
and

1581
01:01:05,510 --> 01:01:04,160
on top of the fact that she had her dog

1582
01:01:07,670 --> 01:01:05,520
with her and um

1583
01:01:08,789 --> 01:01:07,680
like in the investigation it's a jack

1584
01:01:11,829 --> 01:01:08,799
russell terrier and

1585
01:01:13,190 --> 01:01:11,839
jack russell terriers will you know

1586
01:01:15,270 --> 01:01:13,200
you don't really think of it they can be

1587
01:01:16,069 --> 01:01:15,280
really aggressive dogs and they are very

1588
01:01:20,150 --> 01:01:16,079
high energy

1589
01:01:22,470 --> 01:01:20,160
and they will defend their their master

1590
01:01:23,990 --> 01:01:22,480
and this dog did not want anything to be

1591
01:01:27,589 --> 01:01:24,000
he did not even want to be in the

1592
01:01:31,430 --> 01:01:27,599
park uh it was cowering behind her

1593
01:01:32,870 --> 01:01:31,440
and she was really close when this thing

1594
01:01:34,390 --> 01:01:32,880
turned around and looked at her and then

1595
01:01:37,750 --> 01:01:34,400
shot up into the air

1596
01:01:39,349 --> 01:01:37,760
but just the environment the location

1597
01:01:41,030 --> 01:01:39,359
oz park sits in the middle of the

1598
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,040
lincoln park neighborhood

1599
01:01:44,950 --> 01:01:43,119
uh it's surrounded by condos it's

1600
01:01:48,069 --> 01:01:44,960
surrounded by high rises

1601
01:01:49,109 --> 01:01:48,079
um and just the environmental factors

1602
01:01:51,270 --> 01:01:49,119
that went into this

1603
01:01:53,270 --> 01:01:51,280
just made it one of the most interesting

1604
01:01:54,309 --> 01:01:53,280
cases on top of the fact that this lady

1605
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:54,319
was an attorney

1606
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:56,319
and she was a professional through and

1607
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:57,599
through she was just

1608
01:02:04,390 --> 01:02:00,640
she had nothing to gain by you know

1609
01:02:08,309 --> 01:02:04,400
everything to lose by making this report

1610
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:08,319
how about you to boss um yeah i i love

1611
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:09,839
that that oz park sighting

1612
01:02:17,190 --> 01:02:13,440
uh honestly um boy

1613
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:17,200
i guess i would have to say the

1614
01:02:21,990 --> 01:02:20,880
february 2019 woodstock uh sighting like

1615
01:02:25,190 --> 01:02:22,000
that first one

1616
01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:25,200
where the the the guy was

1617
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,440
coming back from a trip to walgreens

1618
01:02:33,349 --> 01:02:28,960
like just a normal thing

1619
01:02:37,270 --> 01:02:33,359
you know everybody does um and uh

1620
01:02:40,789 --> 01:02:37,280
that he saw what he described as a

1621
01:02:43,349 --> 01:02:40,799
a bigfoot with these large

1622
01:02:44,470 --> 01:02:43,359
leathery gargoyle wings crossing the the

1623
01:02:47,270 --> 01:02:44,480
road in front of him

1624
01:02:47,990 --> 01:02:47,280
in front of the the dewfield pond uh

1625
01:02:51,029 --> 01:02:48,000
conservation

1626
01:02:54,309 --> 01:02:51,039
area said it it crossed the street uh in

1627
01:02:56,230 --> 01:02:54,319
in his headlights and uh went between a

1628
01:02:58,710 --> 01:02:56,240
house and this line of trees and then

1629
01:03:00,549 --> 01:02:58,720
it you know it was it disappeared you

1630
01:03:02,150 --> 01:03:00,559
know into the direction of the mchenry

1631
01:03:03,750 --> 01:03:02,160
county fairgrounds

1632
01:03:06,630 --> 01:03:03,760
and there's just some really interesting

1633
01:03:09,029 --> 01:03:06,640
aspects to that that was one where

1634
01:03:09,670 --> 01:03:09,039
emily and i were able to to go down

1635
01:03:12,630 --> 01:03:09,680
there

1636
01:03:13,349 --> 01:03:12,640
i i met the witness you know we we met

1637
01:03:15,670 --> 01:03:13,359
his wife

1638
01:03:17,109 --> 01:03:15,680
like i mean we we talked to these people

1639
01:03:19,109 --> 01:03:17,119
for a significant

1640
01:03:20,630 --> 01:03:19,119
amount of time face to face they took us

1641
01:03:22,950 --> 01:03:20,640
out to the siding area

1642
01:03:23,750 --> 01:03:22,960
walked us around um you know we found

1643
01:03:27,029 --> 01:03:23,760
that that

1644
01:03:29,750 --> 01:03:27,039
that bizarre anomalous footprint in the

1645
01:03:31,670 --> 01:03:29,760
the ice there like that that distorted

1646
01:03:35,029 --> 01:03:31,680
like bare human footprints

1647
01:03:37,910 --> 01:03:35,039
um in in snow and ice uh

1648
01:03:40,069 --> 01:03:37,920
um and it was just everything about it

1649
01:03:40,549 --> 01:03:40,079
was was credible just like the oz park

1650
01:03:42,870 --> 01:03:40,559
sighting

1651
01:03:44,069 --> 01:03:42,880
uh these people had everything to lose

1652
01:03:47,430 --> 01:03:44,079
by sharing the story

1653
01:03:49,589 --> 01:03:47,440
they they were are uh

1654
01:03:50,870 --> 01:03:49,599
respected professionals within their

1655
01:03:53,910 --> 01:03:50,880
community

1656
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:53,920
um they had no reason to to want

1657
01:03:57,990 --> 01:03:56,880
to to to tell this story they didn't

1658
01:04:01,029 --> 01:03:58,000
seek publicity for

1659
01:04:04,390 --> 01:04:01,039
it certainly um i think it was

1660
01:04:07,270 --> 01:04:04,400
a sort of cathartic release for them

1661
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:07,280
in a lot of ways to be able to share

1662
01:04:11,349 --> 01:04:09,359
this with people that took it seriously

1663
01:04:13,510 --> 01:04:11,359
and were willing to discuss it and

1664
01:04:15,430 --> 01:04:13,520
and uh investigate it and that was

1665
01:04:16,309 --> 01:04:15,440
really is it's one that stuck with me

1666
01:04:19,750 --> 01:04:16,319
you know

1667
01:04:21,750 --> 01:04:19,760
um because of of sort of the impact

1668
01:04:23,190 --> 01:04:21,760
that speaking with these people had on

1669
01:04:24,950 --> 01:04:23,200
me you know it's

1670
01:04:26,390 --> 01:04:24,960
honestly it's one thing to read about

1671
01:04:29,190 --> 01:04:26,400
these stories online

1672
01:04:31,589 --> 01:04:29,200
um you know you you you read a an

1673
01:04:33,589 --> 01:04:31,599
article or a blog post or something

1674
01:04:34,630 --> 01:04:33,599
um it's another when you're you know

1675
01:04:38,309 --> 01:04:34,640
you're face to face

1676
01:04:41,829 --> 01:04:38,319
with with somebody who has had this this

1677
01:04:45,029 --> 01:04:41,839
traumatic impossible experience um

1678
01:04:46,470 --> 01:04:45,039
it's difficult to describe it it really

1679
01:04:48,870 --> 01:04:46,480
puts a lot of things in

1680
01:04:50,309 --> 01:04:48,880
in perspective for you and even if

1681
01:04:52,789 --> 01:04:50,319
you're a skeptically minded

1682
01:04:54,309 --> 01:04:52,799
person it's very difficult not to take

1683
01:04:57,750 --> 01:04:54,319
these sightings seriously

1684
01:05:00,470 --> 01:04:57,760
after uh after an experience like that

1685
01:05:01,829 --> 01:05:00,480
and so you know woodstock um that one

1686
01:05:04,270 --> 01:05:01,839
that one stuck with me and then

1687
01:05:05,750 --> 01:05:04,280
you know you had all of the other uh uh

1688
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,760
[Music]

1689
01:05:09,349 --> 01:05:07,680
reports and sort of like associated

1690
01:05:11,990 --> 01:05:09,359
phenomena with that where

1691
01:05:13,990 --> 01:05:12,000
you know i i got that uh that incident

1692
01:05:15,670 --> 01:05:14,000
detail report from the

1693
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:15,680
niece you know where that guy called

1694
01:05:20,710 --> 01:05:17,839
9-1-1 to report a monster

1695
01:05:21,589 --> 01:05:20,720
in the the same area that the the first

1696
01:05:25,190 --> 01:05:21,599
witness

1697
01:05:27,990 --> 01:05:25,200
saw uh the the whatever he he had seen

1698
01:05:28,309 --> 01:05:28,000
go so in the direction that it went then

1699
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:28,319
uh

1700
01:05:36,710 --> 01:05:33,520
matter of days somebody

1701
01:05:38,390 --> 01:05:36,720
uh reported seeing a monster in the the

1702
01:05:40,549 --> 01:05:38,400
mchenry county fairgrounds

1703
01:05:41,990 --> 01:05:40,559
and they they took it seriously enough

1704
01:05:44,549 --> 01:05:42,000
to call 9-1-1 and i

1705
01:05:46,549 --> 01:05:44,559
i have the incident detail report that i

1706
01:05:48,309 --> 01:05:46,559
published on our our website and it's in

1707
01:05:51,029 --> 01:05:48,319
the lake michigan mothman book

1708
01:05:53,270 --> 01:05:51,039
um and so you know it was really this

1709
01:05:56,470 --> 01:05:53,280
this confluence of

1710
01:05:59,510 --> 01:05:56,480
uh uh just really credible events

1711
01:06:00,390 --> 01:05:59,520
in this this relatively small illinois

1712
01:06:03,430 --> 01:06:00,400
community

1713
01:06:06,950 --> 01:06:03,440
um that uh it was powerful you know

1714
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:06,960
it was uh it was important yeah i i

1715
01:06:09,750 --> 01:06:07,599
think that's

1716
01:06:11,589 --> 01:06:09,760
one thing that has impressed all of us

1717
01:06:12,870 --> 01:06:11,599
with the individuals who have made these

1718
01:06:15,750 --> 01:06:12,880
reports

1719
01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:15,760
there's so many professional people

1720
01:06:20,549 --> 01:06:16,400
people

1721
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:20,559
who are celebrities uh

1722
01:06:24,789 --> 01:06:23,200
people who are politicians like in

1723
01:06:26,789 --> 01:06:24,799
woodstock

1724
01:06:28,069 --> 01:06:26,799
you know people that have something to

1725
01:06:32,470 --> 01:06:28,079
lose uh

1726
01:06:37,190 --> 01:06:32,480
you know air traffic controller pilots

1727
01:06:43,670 --> 01:06:41,029
tsa uh security people

1728
01:06:44,630 --> 01:06:43,680
it it is strange but we have had a lot

1729
01:06:47,750 --> 01:06:44,640
of them

1730
01:06:49,829 --> 01:06:47,760
and in fact i i think that well

1731
01:06:52,630 --> 01:06:49,839
that has tie in with the one i i like

1732
01:06:56,150 --> 01:06:52,640
which guys probably know which one it is

1733
01:06:56,549 --> 01:06:56,160
is the lace shore drive uh citing where

1734
01:07:00,549 --> 01:06:56,559
this

1735
01:07:03,829 --> 01:07:00,559
couple were visiting the woman's mother

1736
01:07:06,150 --> 01:07:03,839
who lived in chicago they were

1737
01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:06,160
there visiting from washington d.c and

1738
01:07:09,589 --> 01:07:08,000
this thing flew in front of them coming

1739
01:07:11,910 --> 01:07:09,599
from the lake

1740
01:07:13,510 --> 01:07:11,920
and as they watched it flew right in

1741
01:07:17,109 --> 01:07:13,520
front and went up

1742
01:07:19,190 --> 01:07:17,119
past the trees up into the um

1743
01:07:20,870 --> 01:07:19,200
the condominium up alongside the

1744
01:07:24,069 --> 01:07:20,880
condominium and

1745
01:07:27,349 --> 01:07:24,079
just hovered

1746
01:07:28,710 --> 01:07:27,359
like it was looking in a window for i

1747
01:07:29,430 --> 01:07:28,720
don't know how many seconds five seconds

1748
01:07:32,390 --> 01:07:29,440
or so

1749
01:07:34,710 --> 01:07:32,400
and then it just leaned back and started

1750
01:07:36,309 --> 01:07:34,720
diving back down toward the trees

1751
01:07:37,750 --> 01:07:36,319
by that time they were running towards

1752
01:07:41,349 --> 01:07:37,760
the door

1753
01:07:43,829 --> 01:07:41,359
and that was on silver avenue

1754
01:07:45,750 --> 01:07:43,839
and uh they were they were getting to

1755
01:07:47,589 --> 01:07:45,760
going towards the act you know the the

1756
01:07:50,549 --> 01:07:47,599
actual entrance door

1757
01:07:51,990 --> 01:07:50,559
and this thing came descended right in

1758
01:07:55,510 --> 01:07:52,000
front of them

1759
01:07:58,789 --> 01:07:55,520
wings spread out

1760
01:08:01,910 --> 01:07:58,799
the red eyes dark body

1761
01:08:04,549 --> 01:08:01,920
the bat like wings and this thing was

1762
01:08:07,349 --> 01:08:04,559
vibrating and the witness told me you

1763
01:08:09,430 --> 01:08:07,359
know i could feel the vibration

1764
01:08:10,870 --> 01:08:09,440
you know the the legs were actually

1765
01:08:13,349 --> 01:08:10,880
vibrating

1766
01:08:15,029 --> 01:08:13,359
and they said it had a wet look to it it

1767
01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,039
was shining

1768
01:08:18,070 --> 01:08:17,679
and the woman it affected her so much

1769
01:08:21,110 --> 01:08:18,080
she

1770
01:08:21,990 --> 01:08:21,120
just hit the ground and uh there were

1771
01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,000
other people

1772
01:08:26,870 --> 01:08:24,080
on the road there was a guy in a van who

1773
01:08:29,349 --> 01:08:26,880
saw it he jumped in his van took off

1774
01:08:29,990 --> 01:08:29,359
uh they said they saw flashes from

1775
01:08:32,149 --> 01:08:30,000
cameras

1776
01:08:33,990 --> 01:08:32,159
people taking pictures of it though

1777
01:08:34,870 --> 01:08:34,000
unfortunately we've never gotten any of

1778
01:08:37,829 --> 01:08:34,880
them

1779
01:08:39,910 --> 01:08:37,839
but uh anyway i mean it affected him

1780
01:08:41,910 --> 01:08:39,920
tremendously and this thing hovered

1781
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,920
for like 10 seconds and it slowly

1782
01:08:46,309 --> 01:08:44,159
ascended back up into the air

1783
01:08:47,749 --> 01:08:46,319
and then took off and he picked her up

1784
01:08:51,189 --> 01:08:47,759
carried her in

1785
01:08:52,070 --> 01:08:51,199
to the condo and took her up to her

1786
01:08:54,390 --> 01:08:52,080
mother's

1787
01:08:57,110 --> 01:08:54,400
condominium and they called me the next

1788
01:09:00,149 --> 01:08:57,120
day to let me know what they saw

1789
01:09:02,229 --> 01:09:00,159
and uh you know

1790
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,239
they were supposed to leave chicago for

1791
01:09:06,630 --> 01:09:04,640
dc back that day but they had

1792
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,640
i mean she could she was afraid to fly

1793
01:09:10,630 --> 01:09:08,480
for two days

1794
01:09:12,149 --> 01:09:10,640
so and the interesting thing about that

1795
01:09:15,349 --> 01:09:12,159
was the

1796
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:15,359
the guy the husband was a professional

1797
01:09:22,149 --> 01:09:18,480
athlete in dc

1798
01:09:24,070 --> 01:09:22,159
uh so you know he was uh you know

1799
01:09:25,349 --> 01:09:24,080
of course i wasn't gonna let on who he

1800
01:09:28,070 --> 01:09:25,359
was

1801
01:09:30,229 --> 01:09:28,080
but i you know that being that close to

1802
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:30,239
that being like that

1803
01:09:33,990 --> 01:09:33,520
and for that to happen then of course i

1804
01:09:37,110 --> 01:09:34,000
tried to get

1805
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:37,120
the security camera footage from the

1806
01:09:39,829 --> 01:09:38,080
condominium

1807
01:09:41,829 --> 01:09:39,839
and you know the security company wasn't

1808
01:09:43,990 --> 01:09:41,839
going to let loose on that

1809
01:09:45,269 --> 01:09:44,000
so and that's the problem we've run into

1810
01:09:47,910 --> 01:09:45,279
we've asked

1811
01:09:49,349 --> 01:09:47,920
you know we've tried to get people the

1812
01:09:52,950 --> 01:09:49,359
city itself and and

1813
01:09:54,229 --> 01:09:52,960
security companies to to uh cooperate

1814
01:09:55,030 --> 01:09:54,239
with it's just like with the police

1815
01:09:57,750 --> 01:09:55,040
department

1816
01:09:58,790 --> 01:09:57,760
we tried with foia requests didn't get

1817
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:58,800
anything there

1818
01:10:02,550 --> 01:10:00,880
we tried with the fcc with four-year

1819
01:10:06,709 --> 01:10:02,560
requests would depile it

1820
01:10:09,590 --> 01:10:06,719
didn't get anything there either so

1821
01:10:10,390 --> 01:10:09,600
you know it it it's been an uphill

1822
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:10,400
struggle for

1823
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:14,000
all of us but uh yeah i think the uh the

1824
01:10:19,030 --> 01:10:16,000
fact that all these

1825
01:10:22,709 --> 01:10:19,040
famous or semi-famous people are

1826
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:22,719
very well thought of in their community

1827
01:10:27,990 --> 01:10:25,920
uh coming forward you know that gives a

1828
01:10:29,590 --> 01:10:28,000
lot of credibility of what we're

1829
01:10:32,709 --> 01:10:29,600
you know to these sightings of these

1830
01:10:32,719 --> 01:10:37,270
i have to agree it does

1831
01:10:40,630 --> 01:10:39,510
yeah i mean i that's that that that says

1832
01:10:44,630 --> 01:10:40,640
it all um

1833
01:10:47,030 --> 01:10:44,640
you know frankly the people who report

1834
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:47,040
these sightings um you know they they

1835
01:10:51,189 --> 01:10:47,840
could be

1836
01:10:52,229 --> 01:10:51,199
could work in your office they could go

1837
01:10:54,470 --> 01:10:52,239
to your church

1838
01:10:55,830 --> 01:10:54,480
you'd pass them in the grocery store and

1839
01:10:58,790 --> 01:10:55,840
you wouldn't look twice at them

1840
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:58,800
um they're just uh they're normal

1841
01:11:02,950 --> 01:11:00,239
respected members

1842
01:11:04,229 --> 01:11:02,960
of their community and and it's as

1843
01:11:06,550 --> 01:11:04,239
simple as that

1844
01:11:08,550 --> 01:11:06,560
most of them didn't really have any kind

1845
01:11:10,630 --> 01:11:08,560
of interest in anything like this before

1846
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:10,640
their their sighting a lot of people

1847
01:11:13,270 --> 01:11:12,400
ended up hanging on to their sightings

1848
01:11:16,630 --> 01:11:13,280
for

1849
01:11:18,310 --> 01:11:16,640
days weeks months years even because

1850
01:11:20,709 --> 01:11:18,320
they weren't into this stuff they had no

1851
01:11:22,149 --> 01:11:20,719
idea where to to go with it until they

1852
01:11:25,669 --> 01:11:22,159
found you know

1853
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:25,679
one of us frankly so um

1854
01:11:30,070 --> 01:11:28,719
yeah it's it's it's all very credible

1855
01:11:32,229 --> 01:11:30,080
when you when you actually

1856
01:11:33,110 --> 01:11:32,239
are able to to speak with these people

1857
01:11:36,550 --> 01:11:33,120
because they're

1858
01:11:38,229 --> 01:11:36,560
they're just normal people uh

1859
01:11:41,910 --> 01:11:38,239
vincent wants to know do you think the

1860
01:11:46,390 --> 01:11:41,920
government knows about these creatures

1861
01:11:49,510 --> 01:11:46,400
well i know the local government does

1862
01:11:51,430 --> 01:11:49,520
we've got verification of that

1863
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:51,440
from one of the witnesses who worked in

1864
01:11:55,350 --> 01:11:53,520
the mayor's office and she told us point

1865
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,360
blank that they know about it

1866
01:11:58,390 --> 01:11:57,280
and they're trying to keep it quiet and

1867
01:12:00,630 --> 01:11:58,400
um

1868
01:12:01,510 --> 01:12:00,640
i think the local government does it it

1869
01:12:05,030 --> 01:12:01,520
you know and

1870
01:12:06,709 --> 01:12:05,040
of course in the city of chicago and of

1871
01:12:07,990 --> 01:12:06,719
course some of the publicity that came

1872
01:12:10,470 --> 01:12:08,000
out of it

1873
01:12:12,470 --> 01:12:10,480
i'm quite sure the higher-ups know about

1874
01:12:14,870 --> 01:12:12,480
it as well

1875
01:12:17,270 --> 01:12:14,880
well like you stated you have the one

1876
01:12:19,030 --> 01:12:17,280
lady who works for the airport i mean

1877
01:12:21,590 --> 01:12:19,040
obviously if the airport's talking about

1878
01:12:24,630 --> 01:12:21,600
it and you know it's governed by the faa

1879
01:12:27,350 --> 01:12:24,640
and if you're getting pilots commercial

1880
01:12:29,750 --> 01:12:27,360
airline pipes you're getting pilots and

1881
01:12:30,709 --> 01:12:29,760
ground personnel and now air traffic

1882
01:12:32,470 --> 01:12:30,719
controllers

1883
01:12:34,630 --> 01:12:32,480
seeing this thing and talking about it

1884
01:12:36,470 --> 01:12:34,640
obviously they have to know

1885
01:12:38,470 --> 01:12:36,480
what's going on because i mean these are

1886
01:12:41,830 --> 01:12:38,480
their employees and they have to

1887
01:12:44,790 --> 01:12:41,840
um you know probably get reports filed

1888
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,800
um and even the witness florida air

1889
01:12:48,709 --> 01:12:46,560
traffic control has said you know

1890
01:12:50,229 --> 01:12:48,719
people talk about it people have had

1891
01:12:52,550 --> 01:12:50,239
these you know

1892
01:12:54,709 --> 01:12:52,560
these uh sightings and they you know

1893
01:12:57,750 --> 01:12:54,719
they've been told you know not to

1894
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:57,760
to say anything so obviously they know

1895
01:13:01,830 --> 01:12:59,600
but obviously they probably don't want

1896
01:13:03,189 --> 01:13:01,840
to have you know a mad either a mass

1897
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:03,199
panic or a bunch of

1898
01:13:08,149 --> 01:13:06,719
you know um guys out there with cameras

1899
01:13:09,669 --> 01:13:08,159
trying to break into the

1900
01:13:11,910 --> 01:13:09,679
into the facility to see if they can

1901
01:13:13,669 --> 01:13:11,920
find something

1902
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,679
well they already got that they've been

1903
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:15,199
picking people up

1904
01:13:18,310 --> 01:13:17,040
coming onto the airport grounds trying

1905
01:13:21,830 --> 01:13:18,320
to see this thing

1906
01:13:27,030 --> 01:13:25,189
um yeah that's a piece of advice if you

1907
01:13:28,790 --> 01:13:27,040
are an investigator or wanting to be an

1908
01:13:30,790 --> 01:13:28,800
investigator

1909
01:13:31,990 --> 01:13:30,800
please be respectful and this is for

1910
01:13:33,830 --> 01:13:32,000
somebody who has

1911
01:13:35,350 --> 01:13:33,840
clearance at the airport because i work

1912
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,360
with a trucking company

1913
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,760
i mean they do take security to the

1914
01:13:41,270 --> 01:13:40,080
highest measure over there uh if you are

1915
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:41,280
on the other side of that fence when

1916
01:13:45,990 --> 01:13:42,880
you're not supposed to be

1917
01:13:47,030 --> 01:13:46,000
you will be arrested um you will hope to

1918
01:13:49,030 --> 01:13:47,040
just be arrested

1919
01:13:51,270 --> 01:13:49,040
if not seen as a threat you can probably

1920
01:13:54,310 --> 01:13:51,280
be dealt with in another way but

1921
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:54,320
um yeah climbing the fence or trying to

1922
01:13:59,990 --> 01:13:56,239
get into the secure area is gonna

1923
01:14:04,790 --> 01:14:00,000
and bad for you um mossman will be the

1924
01:14:11,430 --> 01:14:07,910
yeah i i imagine so you know

1925
01:14:12,470 --> 01:14:11,440
um i don't know what do you guys have

1926
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:12,480
any

1927
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:16,320
as far as

1928
01:14:19,669 --> 01:14:19,040
what what what's the future what are we

1929
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:19,679
going to

1930
01:14:25,750 --> 01:14:23,520
uh can we do we think we expect

1931
01:14:28,550 --> 01:14:25,760
what's gonna happen is this gonna is

1932
01:14:30,630 --> 01:14:28,560
this something that's gonna continue on

1933
01:14:32,229 --> 01:14:30,640
i mean of course none of us thought this

1934
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:32,239
thing was going to last as long as it

1935
01:14:35,030 --> 01:14:32,960
did

1936
01:14:37,430 --> 01:14:35,040
you know that first winner after you

1937
01:14:39,830 --> 01:14:37,440
know 2017

1938
01:14:41,350 --> 01:14:39,840
it practically stopped and we thought

1939
01:14:43,510 --> 01:14:41,360
well that's it you know

1940
01:14:45,430 --> 01:14:43,520
this thing is you know and then all of a

1941
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,440
sudden it started picking up again

1942
01:14:48,950 --> 01:14:46,880
and then we started getting these

1943
01:14:49,830 --> 01:14:48,960
sightings uh just like the woodstock

1944
01:14:55,110 --> 01:14:49,840
sighting

1945
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,110
yeah and we started getting all these

1946
01:15:02,470 --> 01:14:59,440
now in the wintertime so

1947
01:15:03,430 --> 01:15:02,480
you know this thing doesn't seem to be

1948
01:15:06,390 --> 01:15:03,440
the weather

1949
01:15:07,990 --> 01:15:06,400
causing any issues with it so i mean

1950
01:15:09,350 --> 01:15:08,000
what do you guys think what do you

1951
01:15:12,229 --> 01:15:09,360
believe

1952
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:12,239
we're going to expect possibly expect

1953
01:15:16,470 --> 01:15:14,560
what's going to be the future of this

1954
01:15:17,669 --> 01:15:16,480
well you know i i think that the

1955
01:15:21,669 --> 01:15:17,679
sightings

1956
01:15:25,350 --> 01:15:21,679
have slowed down some since 2017

1957
01:15:28,070 --> 01:15:25,360
but when when i say that what's really

1958
01:15:28,630 --> 01:15:28,080
missing from the the the current

1959
01:15:30,870 --> 01:15:28,640
sightings

1960
01:15:33,189 --> 01:15:30,880
and why they seem to have slowed down is

1961
01:15:34,070 --> 01:15:33,199
we're not getting as many misidentified

1962
01:15:38,390 --> 01:15:34,080
bird sightings

1963
01:15:40,709 --> 01:15:38,400
as as we were back in like 2017.

1964
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:40,719
so the while the sightings have

1965
01:15:44,790 --> 01:15:43,120
seemingly slowed down now really

1966
01:15:46,550 --> 01:15:44,800
what's happening is we're only getting

1967
01:15:50,310 --> 01:15:46,560
the really weird ones

1968
01:15:53,430 --> 01:15:50,320
anymore um as far as

1969
01:15:56,229 --> 01:15:53,440
it uh it ever ending i mean you know

1970
01:15:57,990 --> 01:15:56,239
god like you you said it lon i mean we

1971
01:15:59,590 --> 01:15:58,000
didn't expect it to go this long we

1972
01:16:03,270 --> 01:15:59,600
thought it was over in the

1973
01:16:07,189 --> 01:16:03,280
winter of uh 2017 but uh

1974
01:16:11,189 --> 01:16:07,199
certainly seems to be no end in sight um

1975
01:16:15,270 --> 01:16:11,199
you know i i think that it's easy

1976
01:16:17,189 --> 01:16:15,280
to be discouraged sometimes as far as

1977
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,199
you know not having all of the answers

1978
01:16:22,790 --> 01:16:18,880
that that we we want

1979
01:16:25,030 --> 01:16:22,800
um you know not having a solution to the

1980
01:16:26,709 --> 01:16:25,040
the mystery but i think at the same time

1981
01:16:29,830 --> 01:16:26,719
if you look at everything we've learned

1982
01:16:32,070 --> 01:16:29,840
since spring of 2017 you know we've

1983
01:16:34,470 --> 01:16:32,080
definitely gained some ground like there

1984
01:16:36,790 --> 01:16:34,480
i i think that our our perspectives are

1985
01:16:39,430 --> 01:16:36,800
much more informed now

1986
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:39,440
than than they they would have been back

1987
01:16:41,430 --> 01:16:39,920
then

1988
01:16:43,990 --> 01:16:41,440
and so i do think we've learned some

1989
01:16:45,910 --> 01:16:44,000
things i think we can expect to continue

1990
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:45,920
to keep learning things

1991
01:16:49,030 --> 01:16:48,000
and uh and who knows where it's all

1992
01:16:52,630 --> 01:16:49,040
gonna end up

1993
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:52,640
you know um i i i think that we could

1994
01:16:57,750 --> 01:16:56,080
ultimately end up with with some very uh

1995
01:16:59,350 --> 01:16:57,760
uh important you know maybe even

1996
01:17:02,550 --> 01:16:59,360
paradigm uh

1997
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:02,560
shifting uh uh perspectives by the time

1998
01:17:06,390 --> 01:17:03,120
this is

1999
01:17:09,669 --> 01:17:06,400
so

2000
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:09,679
you know for me i'm just gonna try to

2001
01:17:12,149 --> 01:17:10,320
keep

2002
01:17:14,149 --> 01:17:12,159
uh you know chronicling everything as

2003
01:17:16,550 --> 01:17:14,159
best i can and learning and sort of

2004
01:17:19,510 --> 01:17:16,560
growing right along with it frankly i

2005
01:17:21,910 --> 01:17:19,520
i think that's probably the the best i

2006
01:17:25,189 --> 01:17:21,920
can expect

2007
01:17:27,350 --> 01:17:25,199
what about you manuel i i have to

2008
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,360
completely agree with tobias i mean

2009
01:17:30,390 --> 01:17:29,199
you know we didn't think it was going to

2010
01:17:34,149 --> 01:17:30,400
go this far

2011
01:17:36,390 --> 01:17:34,159
um or this long and it seems to be

2012
01:17:37,830 --> 01:17:36,400
gaining more and more speed i mean we're

2013
01:17:39,830 --> 01:17:37,840
now seeing

2014
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:39,840
reports i mean when the initial reports

2015
01:17:43,990 --> 01:17:41,360
were coming in they were coming in from

2016
01:17:44,550 --> 01:17:44,000
like a small area within the city you

2017
01:17:48,229 --> 01:17:44,560
know

2018
01:17:50,229 --> 01:17:48,239
um

2019
01:17:51,430 --> 01:17:50,239
you know we're seeing people coming out

2020
01:17:54,229 --> 01:17:51,440
of you know

2021
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,239
out to report things that happened 15 20

2022
01:17:59,030 --> 01:17:56,000
years ago

2023
01:18:01,030 --> 01:17:59,040
and you know we're getting into

2024
01:18:02,950 --> 01:18:01,040
you know different types of beings and

2025
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:02,960
different types of encounters

2026
01:18:09,669 --> 01:18:06,000
uh you know the the bat squats

2027
01:18:12,550 --> 01:18:09,679
one uh being one you know you had the

2028
01:18:13,189 --> 01:18:12,560
the insectoid one that they said the

2029
01:18:15,430 --> 01:18:13,199
gentleman's

2030
01:18:17,270 --> 01:18:15,440
uh saw jumping off the willis tower or

2031
01:18:18,870 --> 01:18:17,280
the pterodactyl one that's seen outside

2032
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:18,880
the owl nightclub

2033
01:18:24,550 --> 01:18:22,640
um you know i think that

2034
01:18:26,709 --> 01:18:24,560
it's starting it's changing it's

2035
01:18:30,310 --> 01:18:26,719
evolving people are starting to get

2036
01:18:31,830 --> 01:18:30,320
uh more confident you know

2037
01:18:33,830 --> 01:18:31,840
i think in a way called it's kind of

2038
01:18:35,510 --> 01:18:33,840
helped because people you know they've

2039
01:18:36,630 --> 01:18:35,520
stayed home now they can they know they

2040
01:18:38,630 --> 01:18:36,640
have time to read they

2041
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:38,640
have time to research they see that

2042
01:18:43,030 --> 01:18:40,080
they're not you know

2043
01:18:44,630 --> 01:18:43,040
the oddball standing out there you know

2044
01:18:45,990 --> 01:18:44,640
because they thought they saw something

2045
01:18:47,669 --> 01:18:46,000
they see that it's happening

2046
01:18:49,910 --> 01:18:47,679
and they're they're getting more

2047
01:18:50,470 --> 01:18:49,920
confident and and not afraid to come out

2048
01:18:54,070 --> 01:18:50,480
to us

2049
01:18:57,030 --> 01:18:54,080
um i think the sightings at the airport

2050
01:18:57,990 --> 01:18:57,040
have been really really you know a shift

2051
01:19:00,390 --> 01:18:58,000
because people

2052
01:19:02,229 --> 01:19:00,400
who are who usually would keep their

2053
01:19:04,149 --> 01:19:02,239
mouths shut about this because

2054
01:19:05,750 --> 01:19:04,159
you know they had security clearances or

2055
01:19:07,669 --> 01:19:05,760
they had jobs

2056
01:19:09,830 --> 01:19:07,679
that were they kind of frowned upon you

2057
01:19:11,510 --> 01:19:09,840
know reporting these kinds of things

2058
01:19:13,350 --> 01:19:11,520
especially like pilots

2059
01:19:15,110 --> 01:19:13,360
uh they're seeing this and they're

2060
01:19:16,630 --> 01:19:15,120
talking about it amongst each other and

2061
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:16,640
they're coming out to us and

2062
01:19:21,350 --> 01:19:19,280
and you know they they do the research

2063
01:19:23,030 --> 01:19:21,360
they see that the investigators

2064
01:19:24,390 --> 01:19:23,040
that are out there researching it they

2065
01:19:25,990 --> 01:19:24,400
come to us and

2066
01:19:30,310 --> 01:19:26,000
and are more than willing to talk to us

2067
01:19:34,149 --> 01:19:32,550
yeah i gotta agree with y'all uh here's

2068
01:19:35,030 --> 01:19:34,159
one quick question i want to put out

2069
01:19:36,390 --> 01:19:35,040
there

2070
01:19:38,470 --> 01:19:36,400
uh do you think these things are

2071
01:19:40,790 --> 01:19:38,480
frightening of us i personally don't

2072
01:19:43,030 --> 01:19:40,800
think they are because they

2073
01:19:44,149 --> 01:19:43,040
they seem pretty bold to me at some some

2074
01:19:47,510 --> 01:19:44,159
points

2075
01:19:50,630 --> 01:19:47,520
uh you know there have been instances

2076
01:19:52,310 --> 01:19:50,640
where they have been seen but it does

2077
01:19:53,750 --> 01:19:52,320
seem like it's just certain people are

2078
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:53,760
able to see them

2079
01:19:58,870 --> 01:19:56,000
you know uh like the sightings out by

2080
01:20:01,189 --> 01:19:58,880
the planetarium or over there by the

2081
01:20:03,270 --> 01:20:01,199
north of the island uh where all those

2082
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,280
people are out there for the eclipse

2083
01:20:07,830 --> 01:20:06,000
this thing was flying around uh we

2084
01:20:09,510 --> 01:20:07,840
didn't get any reports other than the

2085
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,520
one from that incident and there were

2086
01:20:13,990 --> 01:20:11,600
thousands of people out there

2087
01:20:15,910 --> 01:20:14,000
yeah so you know i you know i don't

2088
01:20:16,950 --> 01:20:15,920
think i don't think if they're afraid of

2089
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:16,960
us

2090
01:20:22,470 --> 01:20:20,719
but man they they don't really seem to

2091
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:22,480
be afraid of us at all

2092
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:24,960
what do you think the boss i would tend

2093
01:20:28,470 --> 01:20:25,520
to agree

2094
01:20:29,430 --> 01:20:28,480
um i i think that the fear in these

2095
01:20:31,669 --> 01:20:29,440
encounters is

2096
01:20:33,270 --> 01:20:31,679
is very much one-sided and it's very

2097
01:20:34,390 --> 01:20:33,280
much on the human side of these

2098
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,400
encounters

2099
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:36,480
uh whatever these things are whatever

2100
01:20:40,310 --> 01:20:37,920
people are encountering

2101
01:20:41,430 --> 01:20:40,320
they don't seem to have any fear at all

2102
01:20:44,550 --> 01:20:41,440
ma'am

2103
01:20:46,070 --> 01:20:44,560
yep um i honestly think that

2104
01:20:47,990 --> 01:20:46,080
yeah it's kind of like what you would

2105
01:20:50,629 --> 01:20:48,000
see with sasquatch sightings

2106
01:20:52,790 --> 01:20:50,639
you know you know if you get it let's

2107
01:20:53,270 --> 01:20:52,800
say if you were to go up on a sasquatch

2108
01:20:55,430 --> 01:20:53,280
you know

2109
01:20:56,790 --> 01:20:55,440
you're gonna your life expectancy is not

2110
01:20:58,950 --> 01:20:56,800
gonna be very long

2111
01:21:02,149 --> 01:20:58,960
uh but they're wary of us you know they

2112
01:21:07,270 --> 01:21:04,709
maybe not afraid but i would say they

2113
01:21:10,470 --> 01:21:07,280
know that we can cause more trouble

2114
01:21:11,189 --> 01:21:10,480
uh for them so i don't yeah i don't

2115
01:21:12,870 --> 01:21:11,199
think they are

2116
01:21:14,550 --> 01:21:12,880
because they have not shown any fear

2117
01:21:18,550 --> 01:21:14,560
toward you know

2118
01:21:20,470 --> 01:21:18,560
anybody at all well guys i want to thank

2119
01:21:23,030 --> 01:21:20,480
you for coming on the show

2120
01:21:25,990 --> 01:21:23,040
we uh we will do this again i'm quite

2121
01:21:28,070 --> 01:21:26,000
sure because if things get busy we'll

2122
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:28,080
you know we'll have reason come on and

2123
01:21:33,270 --> 01:21:30,000
start talking about it but

2124
01:21:37,110 --> 01:21:33,280
again thanks for working with me on this

2125
01:21:40,149 --> 01:21:37,120
and uh being part of the team uh

2126
01:21:41,669 --> 01:21:40,159
we're busy there's there's no two two

2127
01:21:43,350 --> 01:21:41,679
things about that we're always busy

2128
01:21:43,669 --> 01:21:43,360
we've got a lot of weird stuff going on

2129
01:21:46,149 --> 01:21:43,679
so

2130
01:21:47,750 --> 01:21:46,159
uh y'all take easy have a nice weekend

2131
01:21:51,590 --> 01:21:47,760
and i'll be talking to you soon

2132
01:21:54,709 --> 01:21:51,600
sounds good thanks good thank you

2133
01:21:55,189 --> 01:21:54,719
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2134
01:21:56,950 --> 01:21:55,199
counter

2135
01:21:59,270 --> 01:21:56,960
sighting feel free to contact me through

2136
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,280
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2137
01:22:03,830 --> 01:22:01,040
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2138
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2139
01:22:07,270 --> 01:22:06,400
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2140
01:22:09,990 --> 01:22:07,280
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2141
01:22:11,750 --> 01:22:10,000
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2142
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:11,760
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2143
01:22:15,750 --> 01:22:13,120
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2144
01:22:18,870 --> 01:22:15,760
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2145
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:18,880
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2146
01:22:23,189 --> 01:22:21,199
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2147
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2148
01:22:26,470 --> 01:22:25,600
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2149
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i want to again

2150
01:22:31,350 --> 01:22:29,040
thank uh tobias whalen and emmanuel

2151
01:22:33,669 --> 01:22:31,360
navarette for joining me this evening

2152
01:22:34,629 --> 01:22:33,679
and i want to thank you for listening to

2153
01:22:36,870 --> 01:22:34,639
the show